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Watch I really am going to have to stop eating meat. There is no justification. |
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I will never stop eating meat...its so goood!! I also love bullfighting |
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I thought the animal stayed alive during the whole ordeal of becoming meat and being eaten? I am shocked |
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My mother used to force conversation over dinner about how the animals we were eating were killed and prepared. She felt it was healthy and natural, and thought it was wrong that people who choose to eat meat refused to hear about where it came from. When she divorced my father, the first lifestyle she decided to take up was farming, so she started to grow and process her own food (meats and vegitable). I think one of the drawbacks we have in this society is decentralization. Everything that people know about their culture is hearsay, so when we finally get a dose of reality, its shocking. I think its important for people to make a point of learning about as much of their lifestyle as possible. Even if they don't understand it, it shows that an effort towards enlightenment is made, and when we finally do get tastes of reality, it is less jarring. As well, it can't hurt to eat food from more humain sources than mass produced meat providers. |
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On a slightly related note... |
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after watching the video: I will not stop eating and enjoying the nice meet of those poor animals but I do think that some thing should be changed in order to not have the animas in such bad conditions but yes, at the end we have to kill them to eat them... it works dfine that way... maybe someday some other species will kill us to eat... and it will be tough of course the problem here as always is the money... and that way of storing the animals is cruel, but it is the chepaest way. if the money saved went to help th poor people in third world I wouldnt mind about the animals... but as that money just makes some people rich... I say lets change the laws so that those people dont make ucha business... and if I have to pay more for the meat, its fine with me... |
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in my village we like to see how they kill the pigs and then cut them into pieces for eating at night in a party and how we take the blood to make blood cakes too spain is diferent I guess |
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Hahaha :) I know, I know. But it IS shocking when you see it in video form. It's a while since I've seen anything like this. I'm going to stop eating meat. It's disgusting, it tastes boring to me, it's unhealthy, it's appallingly bad for the environment, etc. Plus it's enormously inhumane. I understand what you're saying, Nacmat, but the fact is that that IS where our meat comes from. So, you can either choose to continue eating factory-farmed, chemical-ridden meat, or you can seek out a small, independent organic farm where you can SEE that the meat is being reared "naturally" and eat that. Or you can stop eating meat altogether. Anyway, it's up to other people. People shouldn't force their views on others, vegetarian or not. |
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in spain its easier to get meat from a trustable origin... and thats what I do but law should change lots of things though |
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There is no justification. taste, nutrients, diversity (the omnivore's paradox), habit (the weakest argument of all). |
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also, about meat being unhealthy, thats bollocks... meat is really healthy as all, in the correct amount |
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i will continue to eat delicious meat |
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Does this mean I can't indulge in the deliciousness of the spagetti sauce I made yesterday? |
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If God didn't want us to eat animals, why are they made out of meat? |
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(m)eat. I think that says it all. |
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nature created man as a meat-eater. predator. thats why we have nails and teeths,especially the upper third ones - incisors. from ages people were killing animals to eat them, which is nothing unnatural as animals were killing themselfs to eat themselfs aswell :) so,saying that eating meat is unnatural is more unnatural than eating meat.a paradox. really,vegetarians shouldconsider ( as they are in case of animals ) that vegetables,in fact, aswell have some receptorsand are living things.veggies.same goes for eggs/fishes/blah blah. i will never understand ppl saying that meat is killer.everything is killer. even air nowadays. meat contains many minerals and vitamins,m and iron,which CANNOT be replacedby veggies.simple as that, thus if you will eat only veggies, yes, you will feel maybe a little better ( less fat, etc ),but for a short period.in longer terms - it will do you no good.and its proven. well, thats my opinion.suit for yourself. |
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Show us your proof, then. As far as i was aware the vitmin/mineral thing has been contested a fair bit. I think the point was more concerned with factory farming's inhumanity than "MEAT! Bad or no?" anyway. |
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as a whole I think it is far more important to stop completely useless killing of animals than the one done for food. we no longer need furs; there are other fabrics that one doesn't have to kill for that protect just as well or better against cold. killing something because some part of it is considered an aphrodisiac.. we have viagra, which apparently works. trophies.. well, this one is just the most unbearable of senseless killings. food, on the other hand, is quite necessary, and we need diversity, plus there aren't really enough greens to feed everyone.. there isn't enough food of any kind to feed everyone on the planet at the moment, so... of course, the animals should be treated "humanely," but.. priorities. |
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eat meat, fine. i eat meat, yeh. but the way it is produced, the way it is farmed, created, and put on your plate, having to do with chemicals, hormones, inert plastic, food-miles and all kinds of purely unnatural , but extremely cheap and therefore profitable ways of animal-rearing.. should go, because it is un-sustainable. this, much like the combustion engine and food-miles and the whole marketsystem is not built to last, it might be self-perpetuating, but it is not self-sustainable. organic meat, vs. factory produced meat - and meat SHOULD be a luxury thing anyway, instead of a staplefood like it is right now. however, no amount of man-made legislation-changing is going to change the interest towards profit. on a purely chaos-theory-level, all this suffering is pinging around in our collective network of minds, whether you accept it or not, and wreckin our mental health (and of course, the toxins in the actual food, our physical also) - immensely, but try and get anyone to accept that. there's a humane way to produce edible meat, and there's a completely inhumane way to produce edible meat. guess which is cheaper? the mechanical/automated/robotic method that we have right now is not going to last for long, either the lot of us go completely mental, or we run out of resources that are needlessly squandered. or both. at the same time. then what? it'll be empty shelves in the stores, resulting in a grinding halt. then what? cannibalism? watch the "civility" switch to "barbarism" in a few weeks .. and then we'll all hvae something better to think about than slagging off the next "idm-album". like survival. it would be a good choice to stop supporting the current mechanized in-humane method of producing meat onto your platter, laden with MSG and hormones and preservatives.. and either luxurize it (organic ONLY (and yes, how do you know?)), or skip it entirely. its a free-will dictated choice. u.k. meat really wrecks my h |
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if i would ask for autechre you would send me to google.now im sending you to it- 15 seconds,type "meat advantage" for example, and thats it.and its not sarcasm, its just the fact. thats one thing. the other- i agree that farms should be kept, hm,how you should say... in good conditions?alright,some animals are killed in bad way. but what you should change is the conditions of these ceratures - i seriously cant imagine how bad treating of farm animals could bring you to not-eating-meat solution. thats wicked,and,partially, stupid.what meat-eating has to do with way that animals are killed ? change the farms, not your habits. really,ifthe one thinks that if he will stopeating meat will help those animals - thats just silly. thats what 5-year old child could think. really,a child. no offence:) |
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ead, why, i dont know. i just become irate. the difference between an irish broiled chicken and same in finland is EXTREME. there is no taste in the irish, its like its a non-chicken. it's like cardboard. and the taste is all wrong. if you really want somethin to think about, get felicity lawrence's book "not on the label" which goes in-depth on everything from fruit, vegetables, monoculture, food-miles, the chicken, the beef, fertilizers, microwave dinner, and all the people doing the lowest wage work with maximum danger to physical health.. so that someone.. someone at the top.. can make a buck. they have no choice.. but the immensely rich people.. they HAVE a choice. and THEIR choice? selfish greed. there's general insanity.. then there's selfish pathological insanity.. and good grief is it ever centered on money/power.. |
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the problem with ending meat-eating as a solution is that who's gonna tell the stores that they should stock "one less" than before? what i'd really want to know (maybe not.. .. maybe not...) is how much of this plastic-packaged meat that ISNT sold, is going to spoil.. and for what? the chance that there MIGHT be enough interest _that day_ from the consumers to buy the product.. how much food is really going to spoil in those nice plastic boxes and wrapping.. |
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meat should only be eaten for survival (as it was when we first came to be). It's no longer needed or necessary, we have substantial substitutes for it now. Any arguement against what I have just said has been disproven and it's a load of conditioned dribble. ALTHOUGH, I was vegan for 2 years and got very sick apparently. My body was used to meat and dairy intake. The radical change in my diet didn't work so well with my body chemistry. ALTHOUGH, we can still change our bodies chemistry. I just wasn't doing it right. I started off cold turkey and probobly did not get the proper nutrients I needed during the course of my decision. But if I took it upon myself to start up again, I would now know the right plan (as I've read it on many sites). Also, that video was disgusting. I was petting my cat 5 minutes ago and her consciousness is probobly no different than a cattles, pigs, or chickens. Imagining her being tied up by the legs and having her throat slit as her body convulses made me sick. |
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nothing quite like the taste of blood, though... raw-medium beef... mmm... |
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Oh god I know! :D |
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that's not blood, it's meatjuice (?), bloodwurst is disgusting imo |
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oooh... I have to try and convince my parents to make beef for dinner today and invite me home for dinner... mmmmm... |
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no no, you just cant use substitutes for naturalvitamins and minerals,like iron, which is ONLY in mea tproducts. thats just like changing the society into one big pill - whats the point of eating anyway when wecan use onepill nr45b to provide fakefeelingof fully-belly ? jesus that sounds like THX1138 for real. ps.ive heard a history of 2 vegans ( wife and hus.) that killed little baby with this diet. the little childo ( 3-4 years, i cant remember ) just easily died because lacks of serious minerals and sort-of. ive never heard of any of thiscases in accordance to "normal" meat/veggie solutions. and, for instance - millions years agoways of killing were much worse,really.cutting throats wasnt a solution,humanoids killed animals with sticks,stones and stuff.i havent heard any of you saying THAT was BAD. so what do you propose ? electroshocks ? overdose of madonnas albums? jesus. |
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PETA ARE FAGGOTS AND SHOULD BE KILLED |
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I'm not sure if I've tasted bloodsausages (though it is very likely that I have), but I know that blood-pudding tastes kind of like cake and that whale tastes a bit like blood-pudding with the occasional taste of codliver oil (that was the translation the dictionary gave, but.. it doesn't seem right for some reason.. I don't think it is only extracted from cod.. anyway, we call it "tran"). |
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I also think that the fact that meat tastes good to a person on first taste is proof that the person should eat it (note: I'm not talking about the general "person" as in "everyone," but more about "person" as in "those persons who like meat on first taste." If you don't like it, don't eat it, but that's your body that is reacting badly). |
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Don't just tell me to google it, dudeman. Back up your claims. And besides, "meat advantages" isn't exactly going to bring up unbiased information. I never said going veggie would change the situation in slaughterhouses, or even affect food production in general. It's a completely separate (and entirely personal) question whether you want to support a cruel, wasteful, generally unpleasant industry by stuffing its end product down yer gob. To be honest, most people i've met either don't want to think about it or don't give a shit anyway. |
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"Any arguement against what I have just said has been disproven and it's a load of conditioned dribble." |
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don't know how to figure out whether or not this source can be trusted, but.. helping him out a bit. |
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I eat it because I don't care about farm animals unless they're on my god damn plate. I don't have time to cry for the world. What about every other fucking product you buy, lots of that is due to child laboring/third world country exploitation? You don't care about that at all? Where are the "random hispanic working in sweatshop to make shitty western product" videos? PETA even go against animal testing for medical purposes, yet so many people are saved due to this. Even "animal rights" people themselves! There's a lot of double standard bullshit going about here, so fuck off with this and shut up. |
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oh, wait.. I didn't read the article, so I don't know which one of you I'm helping. oh, well.. I may be getting beef later so I don't care. |
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staz very harsh m8 do you think there's enough space on xltronic to write down every single discrepancy in this world that needs to be fixed immediately, on the inside, and on the outside? is this spoutin shite biz going to continue up until you read every single thing written down, or are you just bored m8? its like some guy sitting around goin "yeh yeh you might be talkin about the tomatoes but what about the apples" and then later "yea right ya fkn cnt youre talkin about apples but what about cars" then later "ya fkn hypocritical dimwit why r ya talkin about cars when you should be talkin about poverty" "why poverty why not tomatoes" "why tomatoes why not apples" etc etc. |
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What the fuck are you on about? |
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you're not accounting for qualitative differences. some problems just are more severe than others. |
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no you must save this beautiful pot bellied pig instead of your fellow man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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One step at a time. Don't get overwhelmed and say fuck it. |
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exactly.. ..unless the pot bellied pig is on the verge of extinction (as a result of something we have done to it). |
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every single thing needs saving as of right now. prioritize and dont waste time cussin at people just for the heck of it. everything is interconnected. fix something, and that'll affect other things also. im sure there's less than 6billion things wrong, so everyone has somethin that they're interested in - or feel is unrighteous. no point in spreadin negativity - it'll just come back to you in some other form or format. |
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Poor guy. |
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true but the only effects I foresee with this interconnected thing is corporate wallets getting thinner. OH NO! |
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Yes, everybody should eat meat and shut up and agree with you. Because there are humanitarian problems in the world. Right. How does one have anything to do with the other? ...apart from the fact that rearing animals for food is much more land-intensive, land for burgers that could be growing enough cheap soya to feed those who actually need it most. But that's another issue entirely, innit. Mastah: The dude who wrote that article is selling a "Spiritual Health" 10-tape package for $120 on google ads. Make of that what you will :) |
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i was a vegetarian for 3 years. i stopped because i was sick quite often. my sister was vegan and is now just vegetarian, i think for more severe health problems. just like gwely mernans, i didn't really do what i should have as far as eating right, so i'm not discouraging anyone from becoming vegan/vegetarian ideally, i don't think it's necessary to eat meat. there would be some rather large set backs to the economy and possible long term problems if everyone stopped eating meat all together. so, uhm, i don't really care what people do. i'm about to go out and get a sausage, egg and cheese sandwich on a bagel right now. |
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