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why? a person is not a person until it realizes it is. do you remember being a zygote? i know i don't. and don't tell me you do, because unless you're some kind of freak, you don't. the persons who seek abortion do so for a number of reasons, but basiclly because they are not ready to nurture and bring forth properlly another human being. i see lots of anti-abortionists with their signs out front of the abortion clinic, and they even go so far as to plant numerous white-painted wooden crosses in front of the clinic to represent the lost lives of these pre-people. they need to feel better about themselves, so they protest; they say they're pro-life. of course that's what they'd say. would they say that they're pro-death? of course not. society would be better off without people raised in an unhealthy situation precipitated by immature and/or unworthy parents. but the anti-abortionists aren't about reality, only about self-righteousness. they are Idiots! |
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yeah, they are complete cunts but nevertheless does a dog knows he is a dog ? |
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dude, i didn't realize i was a person until i was like 16 years old. |
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i knew i was a person as soon as i was conceived. i felt my soul being encoded for and bound to my body like binary code |
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beethoven composed his first symphony while he was a zygote. fact. |
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hehe not really what proof can you offer me, either online or in real life that you are a person anyway? it is up to me to decide whether or not you are even real |
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I agree with you pretty much 100% the only time I sympathize with anti-abortionists is when I think about the would-be consequences of my parents aborting me... but for the most part I think its better to not bring a child into the world if you can't care for it properly. |
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zygotes can carry 11 times their own weight. thats more than anything else in the animal kingdom. |
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some of my best friends are zygotes. |
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watch, next they'll be legally defining conciousness |
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so you can remember being 1 year old? |
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Are zygotes IDM? |
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lol :D |
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hey man do you go to new college? or do you just live in/visit sarasota? I used to live in Tampa area, but live in Orlando now. I've been to Sarasota's New College a couple times, mainly to visit some friends who used to go there who were playing shows. |
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you bet your sweet bippy they are! |
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the only thing more IDM than a zygote is a zygote intrafallopian transfer |
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with +1 longsword. |
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GOD I hate them then. They are my natural enemy. I hate them worse than homework and church. |
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wait seriously we should stop, I forgot this was a serious thread. let us please continue with the discussion. |
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bippies? |
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*whispers to qrter* psst.... what are bippies? |
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parents oughta be able to abort their children right up until they are 18. |
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It's from an old American TV show I've only ever read about in Harlan Ellison essays. I think epohs is even older than I am if he knows about bippies. |
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only error there is that anti-abortionists aren't protecting persons.. it's more life or something... I think parents should be able to choose for themselves too, btw, but I also feel that the restrictions on how old a foetus (sp?) can be before abortion should no longer be an option. I also don't really think there's anything wrong with adoption, which, in most cases, is a perfectly viable option. |
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nope. that's my point. i can't remember being a person until around 2. they say that the first 6 years are the formative years, in which the parents mold the person-to-be. |
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i think it's from laugh-in |
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i agree with you up to the point where adoption becomes a viable option. it's viable, but is it just as healthy for the adopted's psyche as being raised by their natural parents? i'd tend to think in some cases yes, but in others not. i feel why take the chance. |
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A friend of mine is pregnant and says it feels like having a chest burster growing inside her. And this is a girl who WANTS a baby. Imagine how you'd feel if you didn't want it. So I say, only women get to decide, and they have to decide for themselves. Legislative bodies of dead white males can basically go fish. I can't believe I made a serious response in this thread so here is the cakes LOL |
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Have you ever seen it? Do they show reruns in n.carolina? I've seen clips of it and get the impression the humor is painfully dated. |
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LOLS |
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yeah, that would depend on how you see the biology vs society thing: which part plays the biggest role. I'd say the only "sure shot" thing where abortion is the only option is the extreme cases (rape, drug-addiction with the mother (don't get me wrong: it would still have to be her own choice) and stuff like that). of course, there's also the "good parents" / "bad parents" thingie, but there one just has to put faith in the control instances of the adoption agencies.. it may not be much of a comfort, but it's all we have. |
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I have seen it a few times. Mostly when I was younger on nick at night. I remember thinking it was quite annoying. |
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some pretty funny quotes in this thread interesting argument, about people not being people until they realize they are. i think you are defining "realization" as beginning with your first memory. for me, my first memory was when i was about two, i stepped on a piece of glass. so if i had been murdered before then, then no harm done. by your reasoning, it is a okay to kill babies as long as they wouldnt have remembered being killed if they survived it. that is pretty shit reasoning really. i'm pretty much anti-abortion. that doesnt mean i'm "pro-life" i would say i'm "pro-choice" in certain circumstances. i myself would not choose to abort a baby. but one way i look at it is . . . if you're too stupid or too poor to put your dick in a condom, then the world probably wont miss your offspring, and your offspring is (a) too stupid to know it's getting aborted or (b) poor enough to thank you for it. so go for it. however if you get raped by a fucking sick rapist, then you dont want to raise a baby rapist whose dad was a sick fucking rapist. i can understand somehow choosing to kill the fetus. like euthanasia. somehow that ties in my view that it is okay to kill a vegetablized person. anyway, point being, i think it's nobody's argument either way until you are retarded enough to get yourself into that situation. |
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My main problem with abortion are people that abuse it. There are women out there that have had multiple sex partners with no intentions of starting a family and continuously have abortions. Like they forgot about the morning after pill or something. Thats my deal! |
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i think it should be a joint decision. both male and female were responsible, so both should have equal say. what if the female is an psychotic pro-lifer? :) what really pisses me off is some of these females who say "we are the ones who bring forth life" when actually it takes a man also to bring forth life. goddamn bitches! ooohhhh shit i despise those!!! |
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i want to say that i heard somewhere that the man doesnt have a choice since it grows within the womans body. |
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if the man has no say, then should he also have no responsibility/obligation to provide care? |
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"if you're too stupid or too poor to put your dick in a condom, then the world probably wont miss your offspring" that's my point. someone who's insanely pro-life would have that baby because they would think it's the "right" thing to do. |
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i have to take some of my comments back, it sounds like i dont have sex. people who get pregnant are not retarded. |
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it wouldn't grow within the woman's body if the man were non-existant now would it? |
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very true. i have a friend who both he and his "girlfriend" are only 18, maybe 19 im not sure. but she got pregnant, and he wanted to abort it but she and her mother are batshit insane and wont do it. now this girl is pregnant with a baby while still drinking, smoking and doing lots of coke. and this poor child is going to have to be raised by this bitch? |
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poor child doesn't even know yet how fucked up its parents are going to make it. :( |
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yeah i know your point but i am sure i heard this somewhere. I think the story is that the guy wanted to keep it and didnt want to abort in and in the end had no say. i wish i could remember more details. |
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haha! Ace! But then we wouldnt have these episodes on maurry povich where there are paternity tests from baby mamas tryin to get child support |
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That girl needs to get smacked up. Seriously anyone who is preggers and plans on keeping the child should be sXe for the kids sake. |
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tricky. tha man always "looses" in a way.. if she wants it and he doesn't, he has to pay for it because it is his child, but if he wants it and she doesn't, she still has the final say. only way to "win" is if both want it or both don't want it, but it's still ultimately the woman who decides, and the man's "choice" is just an illusion. |
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FREAK! what was it like? |
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hey man do you go to new college? or do you just live in/visit sarasota? I used to live in Tampa area, but live in Orlando now. I've been to Sarasota's New College a couple times, mainly to visit some friends who used to go there who were playing shows. yeah I live in sarasota.. have most of my life. I don't got to college though.. college is for sops! .. or something. I go to the new college parties sometimes though, and I have many friends who attend |
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oh yeah.. and the topic... the only way to do it is get a solid scientific definition of when an embryo has a far along developed brain to be considered capable of conciousness.... or perhaps figure out what conciousness is anyway, maybe it extends beyond the brain? I'm sure many people think so. I don't think those that argue killing a potential life have much virtue.. that direction would kill off even birth control, which will never go away.. so it's a balance between preventing a potential life and when that life actually starts. |
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anyone under the age of consent in the country they live in who gets pregnant should be forced by law to abort, aswell as people who cannot support a child, theres already too many fucking people on this planet. ABORT ABORT ABORT |
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