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Counter or Catholic?!
 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-10-03 04:09 [#01739789]
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this is something which really has been bugging me (as a
historian) for a long time now.. Is the second Reformation
of the sixteenth century a counter to the Protestant
Reformation of Luther or merely a constant and independant
Catholic Reformation which had been going on long before
Luther. Counter or Catholic?

there are many arguments for both, notably that it must be
Counter because the Church was in decline and they realised,
through what Luther was saying, that counter-reform was
necessary. On the other hand, other historians say is must
be Catholic since there were reforming movements in the
Church prior to Protestantism, showing that it was going on
for a long time before.

What do you think?


 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-10-03 04:10 [#01739790]
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im gay


 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-10-03 04:11 [#01739793]
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please ignore that. Xeron accesed my keyboard. *sigh*


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-03 04:13 [#01739795]
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"as a historian"<----Sorry?


 

offline ToXikFB on 2005-10-03 04:18 [#01739797]
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great!


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offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-10-03 04:30 [#01739806]
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lafff out loud haha


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-03 06:33 [#01739883]
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hee heee ur gay


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2005-10-03 06:35 [#01739885]
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hey,


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offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-10-03 06:38 [#01739890]
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congratulations on your new avatar!


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offline pigster from melbs on 2005-10-03 06:40 [#01739891]
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DEFINITELY CATHOLIC.. NO!!! COUNTER.. no
CATHOLIC... um no!


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2005-10-03 06:40 [#01739892]
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joyeux anniversaire


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offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-03 06:54 [#01739911]
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ha ha you said you're gay


 

offline ToXikFB on 2005-10-03 07:04 [#01739918]
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i dunno, what do YOU think?


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offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-10-03 08:20 [#01739988]
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Hmm. its an interesting thought although i dont really know.


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-03 09:58 [#01740055]
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To answer the OP: I reckon it was a counter reformation. If
it wasn't for the wonderous yet hot-tempered Luther (and
people who followed in his ilk, like Zwingli and John
Calvin), the Church would have probably continued its scams
until it was forced to stop them because of people's
awareness to its corruption.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-10-03 10:00 [#01740059]
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gay. haha.


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-10-03 11:36 [#01740173]
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so gay


 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-10-03 11:40 [#01740179]
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hmm that's a good point.

i_x_ten : that is classic hahaha! The Hoff in a ridiculously
gay pose! :)


 

offline Crocomire from plante (United States) on 2005-10-03 11:43 [#01740185]
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i think: i despise catholic scum!


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-10-03 12:00 [#01740196]
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LOL


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-10-03 12:00 [#01740197]
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LOL


 

offline Xeron from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-04 13:17 [#01741067]
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wtf? I come back from a brief spell away from XLT to see
i've been blamed for a "coming out". Look I don't care if
your gay just make up your mind and stop getting me involved
in your pleas for attention.


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2005-10-04 13:27 [#01741070]
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̠


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offline Xeron from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-04 13:28 [#01741074]
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:) took the words right out my mouth.


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2005-10-04 13:32 [#01741079]
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̠


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offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-04 13:35 [#01741080]
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Great Comedy !


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-10-04 13:44 [#01741081]
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