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Does it really exist? I dont think so. Morality is the symbolic generalization that reduces the full reflexive complexity of doubly contingent ego/alter relations to expressions of esteem. Love as a symbolic generalization is the result of an evolutionary process that is as old as human relations. Intimacy is a social system, and as such it is subject to the same processes as other social systems. The unique characteristic of intimate relations is the personal element. As intimate relations progress, every element and characteristic of each participant becomes a crucial part of the relationship. Like all social relations, intimate relations are improbable due to the problems of contingency and complexity. This improbability is overcome, and the complexity reduced, through the symbolic generalization. As stated before, love is one of many such generalizations. Indeed, love is not the only symbolic generalization that is applied to intimate relationships |
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I dont know why god gave me a penis. |
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honestly i know why i have a penis |
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love is feeling really deep and tender about something. dont you feel that way about anything? love exists. its nice to know at least you acknowledge a creator |
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ok, so that is love then just a symbolic generalization of intimate relations and not the only one, name some others... |
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that = what |
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It does. I love music. |
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Friendship, Trust etc. |
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Yeah, read the book "Love as passion" |
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thats not the definition of love. monoid just made up that stuff |
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so in your argument, love is logically equivalent to friendship or trust, do you agree with this? |
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like, if you try to complexify love, thats when it gets all fucked up on its rudimentary level, its the most powerful thing in the world when you complexify it though, it loses its base and becomes all sorts of confusing things and conditions. it truly exists and its really a simple easy and great thing. |
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it does, but it is not pink only |
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"complexify".... you're making me hate America more and more, cygnus. watch your language. |
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oh man, youre not going to let that slide? i thought that would have made it, i was skeptical but....so close cynus |
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hahaha!!! genuine l-o-l |
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Ofcourse love exists Monoid, perhaps you're just depersonalized to it. Which happens to millions of people. It just needs to be rediscovered/discovered. Just cause you have the death instinct doesn't mean there isn't a life instinct to counterbalance it. You've let your (depression?) last so long that now I bet its just made you an awkward fellow around your (friends?). I HIGHLY recommend you read the psychoanalytical studies of Rollo May. His book 'Love and Will' has changed my life in a very progressive way. |
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though its juvenile it makes sense doesnt it! |
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love is what love is. the feeling you feel. love was never anything more than that. love exists |
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Look, just because I like to eat Hamburgers, that doesn't mean my "Stomach" is "Loving it". My Brain needs input, input = communication. Intimate forms of Communication = Love |
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What IS love actually ? and What is existence ? or What are ducks ? |
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love is lust, but without the sex |
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are you crazy- lust means an unrestrained sexual feeling. love and lost are like two entirely different things |
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i said "without the sex, sexual feeling" pretty much thats what love is |
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youre right then, yeah. strong desire and want, deep emotion and need. without the slippery stuff. |
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what is love baby don't hurt me *pidgeon dance* |
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love will tear us apart |
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i dont think you can deconstruct the argument like that - its the human will as a whole that has created love - its not that its needed for survival, but rather a by product of being human. but it does exist, maybe not on deconstructed level, but in relation to society as a whole. |
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Yes, it does exist. But it is not the "mystical" feeling, movies soapoperas and religion make it out to be. |
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yes, it's part of the human condition, part of what we are. there's really nothing to discuss. the topic title should really read, "Since I've never experienced it, there is no such thing as love." Another self-obsessed thread, good work monoid. |
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well of course its not what movies portray it to be. why would you expect that to be true? love occurs in situations where it's not really asked or required. so, its naturally just a part of the human mainline.. |
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its a viewpoint of love (soapopras and religion) but youre right its not a true picture of it - its like viewing love through a medium. |
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well thats just common sense. a superfluous fabrication, not only that but also an expectation. so for those of us who can't bear being told what to do or how to act (conformism mob mentality complex's) it might desensitize us to the expected act of love. I can't even talk to girls I'm interested in, cause personaly I just can't. I makes me feel like an actor, and the whole act of courting is a facade, a predictable moment in life when it should be as spontaneous as in a..... love movie. Hoh what a contradiction :P ! |
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haha that was an awesome loop you hit there :) |
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I love it when I do that :D |
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I'm starting to belive that Monoid is an unfulfilled scientist trying to make his PhD dissertation. And we're the guinea pigs. |
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Whats the accurate way of "experiencing" love ? Like in the movie ? I love music for example, so I know what Im talki8ng about, or is this not the "Correct" form of love? |
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punctuation is not spot-on enough for PhD |
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you need some good ole fashioned coitus! |
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onia animal post coitum triste est preater gallum qui post coitum cantat |
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Yes...but I never will. |
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there's no "accurate" way of experiencing love man. it's a reaction. when your reaction to something is feeling deeply and passionately about it; you are experiencing love for whatever that thing is. that would include music. i love music, too! |
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there are many kinds of love: buddy (friendly) love, family love, romantic love. i figure you're focusing on romantic love. there is no "accurate way" of experiencing it. If there were, it would be as if a love between two people had to follow certain rules or show certain signs. everybody is different. love is an emotion whose potential is common in all of us. don't try to deconstruct it and analyse it, instead just live, and you'll run into it. you run the risk of further alienating yourself from society and the possibility of love if you reduce it to some sort of science. |
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Monoid what's keeping you from going out and wooing some girls? |
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I know, can you beleive scientists are saying they've found the location of the soul in the brain?! Time for some further studies... jeez. |
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again |
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Love is still "great" deconstructed analysed or not, Cancer is not...what is your point? |
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I dont know what to say |
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yes but your approach to love will not be so "great" or perceived as so by other people, if you deconstruct and analyse it. alright? now get the fuck outside and go meet some real fucking people |
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