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just a question.. it's probably been asked before, but I couldn't find anything... what makes a good noise track and what makes a bad one? links/samples would also be helphful, although this is only for my own curiousity... |
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i would recommend you some Wäldschengarden for your first real noise experience. its hard to put in words, i think my relationship with noise is more a mood thing then anything else. it creates some vibes, inspiring thoughts and stuff like that. also theres senseless noise like merzbow, speedranch and jansky, but sometimes i dig that too. |
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oh, I've listened to noise, and I don't really like it, I'm just wondering what makes something good and what makes it bad... |
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its really about finding something you like, something you can make sense of. basicly, get people to name a lot of noise artists and try them out. |
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hmm... well, I do feel harsh stuff from time to time (some jazzkammer occasionally), but maybe I'm just a very melodic person... |
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thats definately an option too, im not too much into noise either, i like the 'more' melodic stuff. |
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Make a bergenser sing in it. "Bæææ...bææ. Bæær Gææn!" |
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this is not an easy question. sometimes i wonder this, too. I don't know where to find some noise theory if there is any, but if there are experimental music PhDs like Alla Zagaykevych, Massimo Magrini and others, there maybe has to be some theoretical basis, or how did they pass their exams without it. [I heard several noise artists whose sound seemed to suck (let's not reveal their names) - their music was simple noise with not much changes in it. While good noise tracks have some structure, and utilise not only white noise but some drum-like pulses, maybe rhythm sometimes. Noise tracks try to operate with mood of listeners, as for me - surprising them, frightening, lying to them (you get absolutely not what you expected), teasing and making angry. They put a listener into a sonic field, where his/her body comes into contact with intense air oscillations.] |
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HAHAHAH! klipp barten! |
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thank you for that! that's what I'm looking for! |
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indeed? i'm surprised! remember that idm core rule book? sometimes similar thread about noise can be started, maybe. |
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you stated clearly what made a good or bad noise track to you! pure white noise = bad, different noise with possible beats = good. |
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maybe r40f can add something if he sees the thread. |
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yeah.. and isn't fabien porée into noise too? |
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perhaps, i don't know |
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I've actually forgotten which name he uses here... anyway, which artists do you think are good then? |
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i forgot, too:( from who i heard: kotra Alexey Borisov Franz Pomassl Staalplaat Soundsystem (sometimes noise) Merzbow Alla Zagaykevych Bad Sector Sshe Retina Stimulants Contagious Orgasm P.A.L .at/on |
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on y va pour les gros nichons |
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de qui tu parle? |
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all you need is merzbow really..if he won't get you into it no one will. oh, except for masonna maybe :) |
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thanks! I'll have a look.. could you pots some bad ones too? tolst: yeah, and I've listened to merzbowq, and aside certain parts of what he's done with jazzkammer, I don't like it... |
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the ones i didn't like (saw them live) CD-R Cisfinitum |
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thanks! |
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i guess the frequency and dynamics. |
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noise is the opposite of music. |
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?? ..further explanation will be required, I'm afraid... |
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you wanted to know what makes good noise good and vice versa or just reccomendations of tracks? |
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You can't be harbouring a set of parameters to what makes good music/noise, just listen to some artists and find out. What were you expecting people to answer to this question? I'm curious. |
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I want to know what makes a good noise track and what makes a bad one. I don't want track recommendation as much as I want examples. so elaborate on that frequency and dynamics thing... torture garden: well, it all sounds bad to me, so of course I'm curious as to what people enjoy about it and also to fully understand what they enjoy, I need to understand what they don't enjoy. I've tried noise, and it wasn't to my liking, and I'm not trying to get into it... |
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Drunken Mastah be sure to check by Kotra. (possibly you heard it already) If (you heard it and don't like noise) {noise is not for you indeed}. Else {we'll see} instructions: play it LOUD :) ps. not trying to get you into it - just wanna PRopulse this excellent track worldwide. |
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Interesting noise makes interesting noise. I can't really say what makes it interesting though. I like noise that sort of reminds me of a sound without actually being that sound. Like a fizz or hiss that's sort of like rain or a buzz that's either a fly or a person being electrocuted. Then there's stuff like Hijokaiden that's just so gross that you have to respect it. More often I just like noise that's really just a bunch of logical noises setting an obvious mood, Gothy stuff like Asmorod or Rasthof Dachau. I don't really like Merzbow because often it's too random for me. Promotion Man is the toppermost of the poppermost though. |
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I like patterns emerging within noise, I'm thinking about some Merzbow tracks like 1930 & Suzumebachi No Kinbu. I'm no noise veteran, but I would think that the only way to get anything from it would be to keep on going back to it. |
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good noise people on the mego label: hecker (pv trecks is great) pita (get off is great, although that's on another label, hapna) farmers manual (some is noisey, some is just different) the collaboration between yasunao tone and hecker (palimpset) is crazy |
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viodre is really interesting. he has some new material coming out soon, very harsh stuff. |
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CHINONI OCHI OUDINON |
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yeah nice stuff ! i advice HECKER -"SUN PANDAMONIUM" and PITA -"GET DOWN" |
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just think - anti music |
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thanks everyone! I'm up to my neck in comparing stuff here, and I do hear a difference, but it still sounds bad to me... |
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noise is all about freqs and dynamics for me. like, masonna for example...he is one of the best noise artists i came accross because of the heavy dynamics and frequencies which i want to hear in noise music. k2, merzbow, gomikawa, guiltiy connector are kind of boring! why...just because they emitt all the wrong freqs. |
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forgot to add kenpeitai as an second good artists. |
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so if he's got the right frequency, it's better? ..sounds like tinnitus retraining therapy... anyway, thanks. I've been checking samples, and though I still don't hear anything I like, I now think I know the difference... |
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hah, it's multidimensional for some and shallow for others. it's basicly about you not about the music. |
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kind of |
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noise has a soul like every other music too. i mean sort of... it can describe every mood, every feeling, every state of mind really! |
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small update just got CD-R Concentration EP and it doesn't suck as his live set did. |
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i dunno... i don't really agree with the idea of noise as something non-musical at all... people often want to set it in opposition to music when in fact it's just one aspect of it which has manifested itself in many forms throughout history (imo, obviously). there are explicit melodies in a lot of noise that i enjoy, and really i'm not so sure where one would define the parameters between melody and non-melody so... i'm inclined to say that there are also many beautiful not-so-explicit melodies in a lot of noise that i enjoy.... the way various tones are coupled, not only in terms of their relationship to one another, but also to the surrounding sound space (how does a sound reverberate? is it in the foreground, in the background, etc.) is stuff that is pretty important to me. i like noise that appeals to my sensations in more subtle ways... it's all fine and dandy to have your head blown off by Merzbow in Masonna... but these days, i'm much more interested by someone like Dion Workman, or Joe Colley, where there choices may not even be audible and yet still very palpable. even when it's full-on noise, i find the smaller changes at the eye of things to be generally of more interest. noise at its best really does evoke something more than just random sonic detritus... for me, it seems more like larger forms, that are hopefully simultaneously interesting for the microscopic details (ie: texture) and the macroscopic (big, general) aspects (ie: dynamics, the way sounds will collide with one another, the general harmonies created through the addition of all tones and overtones, etc, etc). for me there is very little that seperates noise from most ambient music, and most of my favourites reflect that leaning, i think. Joe Colley (Aka Crawl Unit) Jason Lescalleet Luasa Raelon Kevin Drumm Brent Gutzeit Brandon Labelle Robert Ashley Hafler Trio Voice Crack Gunter Muller Stilluppsteypa Double Leopards Daniel Menche id Battery Mattin Julien Ottavi Dion Workman Zoviet France Will Guthrie |
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sorry that was so long. and there are too many big words... stoned: apologies. |
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