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offline swift_jams from big sky on 2005-06-23 08:57 [#01641735]
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I'm sure everyone is familiar with the blurby bass sounds
used in many AFX/Aphex Twin tracks such as On, Xepha, and
several of the songs featured on I Care Becuase you Do. Now
I have become infatuated with this flatulant-like sound and
was wondering how to make something similar. For example,
what VST's, waveforms, effects, editing should be used/done
to craft with. Thank you for all your help thus far. I hope
I wont be let down by my ever vigilant XLTRONIC community.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2005-06-23 09:05 [#01641742]
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you've become.... inflatulanted


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-06-23 09:07 [#01641746]
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I'm not sure.. I have that type sound as a preset on my
(digital) synth. I could check the components for you if I
find it, though...


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2005-06-23 09:09 [#01641747]
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about your question, there is plenty of gear out there that
can create comparable sounds to the ones used in the songs
you mentioned. It's all about finding out which gear suits
your purposes best, so you aren't spending lots of money
just to get 1 bass sound. Personally, if I were you, I would
demo some hardware at music stores and download some
software demos and that sort of thing, because I think you
might find that you can create very cool bass sounds on your
own, and then you wont be stuck in the rut of just emulating
everything that richard does.

hope this helps, and doesn't sound condescending (because it
wasn't ment to be). :)


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-06-23 09:09 [#01641748]
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erh.. I'm not sure if its the sound you're talking about,
but this one seems to be two different types of saw-waves...


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2005-06-23 09:11 [#01641752]
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do i just tone in down real low or something? i was thinking
i should take it into audacity and slow it down to get that
(undescribable-rumbling?) sound


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2005-06-23 09:13 [#01641755]
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hehe, the reason I didn't want to tell him "two types of saw
waves" etc, is because even if you tell him the waveforms
being used, there is still so much influencing what you
actually hear. For example, if you tell him what waveforms
are used, he also needs to know the envelope (ADSR)
settings, the LFO settings (some synths have 1 LFO, some
have any number greater than that), what kind of filter is
being used and what the settings on that are... its an
involved process.

The bottom line is that every synth does it's thing a little
bit differently, and the addition of another LFO or
oscillator can impact the sound in a big way... which is why
my advice to swift_jams is to try out gear and find your own
way... I think it's far more rewarding in the long run
anyway. :)


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2005-06-23 09:14 [#01641756]
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well im off to the airport to pick up my friend, goodluck
with your problem, and I'll try to help in any way I can
when I get back.

hope you find the sound your looking for. :]


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-06-23 09:37 [#01641771]
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yeah, experimenting is better.

except for piano sounds and stuff that's supposed to sound
"real," I haven't used any of the presets on my synth
(roland xp-30). All custom.

of course, since it's digital, it hasn't actually got
oscillators, it just has small loops and bits and pieces
that are pieced together. I may be borrowing an analogue
synth in a while, but I'm not sure if I can.


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2005-06-23 11:34 [#01641938]
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totally not fair i wich i had any synth at all. particularly
a modular or analogue. i dont like the newer ones too much,
with their buttons and no knobs.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2005-06-23 13:25 [#01642099]
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yeah, steer clear of any keyboard where the editing of
sounds has to be done via menus with lots of bottons...
while some of them can produce good sounds, the extra effort
of having to go through 30 menus just to change the filter
cutoff will really deter you, and often times, by the time
you find what you are looking for, you may have lost the
creative spark. The best kinds of synths (for live tweaking
and fast sound creation) are ones with lots of knobs on
them, that allow you to bypass all the menu bollocks and
just tweak away till you have the sound you are looking for.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2005-06-23 13:31 [#01642113]
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also, the bigger the screen/higher the resolution, the
better.

it's pretty frustrating only having a tiny screen where
everything is super-abbreviated to make it fit, though there
are some exeptions.

for example, the roland Jp-8000 synth has all its editing
functions laid out in knob/slider format so, even though the
screen is tiny, you barely need it for anything, anyway.
Like I said, the best way to avoid disappointment when
buying a synth is to go into music stores and try them all
out hands on. Then you can go online if you wish and try
ebay and other places for lower than retail prices. You
could always just read lots of reviews for a product and
listen to sound demos if you can find them rather than
playing the synths to try to find which one you like best,
but that can be sort of iffy, and theres nothing like
playing the real thing.


 


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