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i belive that the concept of choice is an illusion and everything in life is predetermined. discuss |
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someone else will probably explain my stance better than i can, so i choose not to respond to this thread. ...DOH! |
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i don't agree with this..although i'd like to. |
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werent you leaving and arent we all cunts? |
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it's completely irrelevant either way. |
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he had no choice but to come back. |
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yeah i think i actually went mad for a bit. i've calmed down in the last few days, i was close to losing the plot. i apologise. i don't really wanna talk about it :-/ |
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Its ok! I've had some tough times too! Get a new av and join us back! :) |
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Oh god man get over it, the fact that some people have other points of view and you making a scapegoat out of other members/the mods make this place unbearable, I come here day after day and it's the same shit, why don't you grow up, this endless argument and the constant bullshit on this board with the overreaction of some of the mods leading to fued wars make me want to puke my guts I'm thinking of not coming here anymore but when I do come back it's the same and then I realise I was right not to come here anymore as you're all a bunch of wankers that can't just fucking talk civilly and have to reduce yourselves to the state of animals constantly banging on and on and on and on about the same bullshit that doesn't matter this is a music forum |
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done and done. i;m trying to sort myself out and lets say no more about it |
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I'm joking. Though I think the concept of Choice has been discussed elsewhere, and I don't mean on this board, though it probably has. Who gives a shit? |
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sorry i didnt mean to be a cunt! I should have just been quiet! please forgive me! A brand new start! :) |
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i just wondered what people thought. sorry if it too deep lets talk about aphex twin. yay vpusher yay |
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Yes, it's deep alright, one of the BIG DEEP SUBJECTS "Choice" is, right up there with "What's it all about?", "Life after death?" and "Why don't girls like me?" |
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uh.... thats really quite a nonsense post. |
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ooh ooh! I can answer this one "Why don't girls like me?" Well thats because there are a variety of people with different personalitys. Alot of times our idea of "perfect" or "ideal" may not always align with what we should be with. That and also it variates depending on your location. If you go to the same places 24/7 then you cant meet a great percentage of the over 6-8 billion people out there. I just met a great girl when i drove over 60 miles to go to a strip club. We got along, shared laughs and exchanged numbers. I will call her soon. |
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girls don't like me because i'm too good for them |
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the concept of fate is some of that crap hippies make up |
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you could argue that our society encourages fatalism - with a lack of choice. |
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if you're talking about fate, you have to prove that this abstraction is somehow real, not the other way around. prove that it somehow exists is the dilemma. if you're talking about personal freedom and politics, that's something that can actually be discussed. and i don't believe in the statement you made. it's some crap hippies made up. |
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yeah! |
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Everything we do is logical and with our own individual pleasure as the ends. So we are restricted from free will by the limits of our own logic. |
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I'm sure there are many people in this world who act without logic, and are simply socialised to behave in certain ways. |
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No, their logic just leads them to think that following socially accepted norms will achieve their goals the best. |
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conciuosness is undeniable, it's proven that consiousness can directly afect reality. choice lies in conciousness. if existance has a reason it lies there. |
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I your mind |
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We have a free will that is limited by circumstance. But just because other factors and goals can limit our freedom of choice, does not mean we have no free will at all. My bullshit opinion, anyway. Besides, if I'm not controlling myself, I don't know who the fuck is. |
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someone could have hypnotised you and you wouldnt even know it because they would have hypnotised you into forgetting you were ever hypnotised. |
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I don't believe in free will. I don't like the idea that I might have to take responsibility for any of my actions. |
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Funny, I thought every other major religion out there got to it before the hippies did... |
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Isn't that just denying the obvious control you *do* have over your own actions? If you make choices for the actions you take, you are responsible for them. |
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Not if I am fated to make those choices. In case the joke wasn't obvious enough, I will now submit a smiley, with its tonque sticking out. -> :P |
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Heh, I had a strong suspicion you were joking. :-) But then again, I have read people who serious propose the argument you meant. So I was a little frightened. Untimately, it's one of those things where I do the most with what I do know-I may not have free will, but living as if I do makes sense, is logical, and works. |
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*seriously |
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I just kind of believe in making sensible decisions, and trying to make sensible actions. It doesn't really matter in the end any way. Here is a picture I took at the aquarium. |
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i don't know why you believe this, but i don't think it's a "good"/safe belief. now you have an excuse not to do anything at all, blame everything on fatality and let your life get worse and worse... |
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