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offline Tsimbrilo from North Garlagore (Zimbabwe) on 2005-04-23 14:35 [#01574651]
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How a sound can transmit emotions ? Why one can say that
melody A is sad and melody B is funny ? And why people have
same emotions when listening to some composition ? WHAT
causes emotions and why ?
Note: In my opinion, only melody carries emotions, while
rhythm only amplifies them.
My hypothesys: Understanding of music (particulary, melody)
is a result of averaging of language phonems and words
soundings. That's why for example chinese music differes so
much from european.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-04-23 14:36 [#01574652]
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Oh I don't know. Arre you a dup?


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-23 14:37 [#01574653]
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You could ask the same about paintings. Why do they provoke
an emmotional response in us? Although music is harder to
deal with, as it is more abstract and less obviously
connected to experiences in every day life.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-04-23 14:39 [#01574654]
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I'd say music is morre obviously connected to
experriences in everry day life. Especially if you have an
MP3 playerr. Yarr.


 

offline Tsimbrilo from North Garlagore (Zimbabwe) on 2005-04-23 14:42 [#01574655]
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A picture associates with real-life sutuation pictured. But
what music associates with ? With speech maybe ?


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-04-23 14:44 [#01574656]
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Only picturres of a rreal life situation.


Attached picture

 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-04-23 14:46 [#01574657]
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It's just association.


 

offline Tsimbrilo from North Garlagore (Zimbabwe) on 2005-04-23 14:52 [#01574664]
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Abstrac picture associates with a very wide range of
real-life things - too wide to say that it associates with
something certain. And emotion caused by such a picture are
uncertain too.
Purely abstract pictures must have no emotional impact
because they don't associate with anything.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-04-23 14:55 [#01574668]
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Oh God I'm shocked I almost got drrawn into this. Bye.


 

online big from lsg on 2005-04-23 15:06 [#01574676]
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anus presley has too much points to talk to you noob
:p


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-23 15:29 [#01574697]
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How a sound can transmit emotions ? it doesn't.

Why one can say that melody A is sad and melody B is
funny ?
why one can not?

And why people have same emotions when listening to some
composition ?
stimuli --> response.

WHAT indeed.

causes emotions and why ? the responses of the brain
and neurons and chemicals and shit like that. go read an
encyclopedia.

Note: In my opinion, only melody carries emotions, while
rhythm only amplifies them.
that's incredibly unsound
logically and false.

My hypothesys: Understanding of music (particulary,
melody) is a result of averaging of language phonems and
words soundings. That's why for example chinese music
differes so much from european.
no... not necessarily.
study the history of different types of music from around
the world and you'll learn why.

A picture associates with real-life sutuation pictured.
But what music associates with ? With speech maybe ?

not necessarily.

Abstrac picture associates with a very wide range of
real-life things - too wide to say that it associates with
something certain. And emotion caused by such a picture are
uncertain too. Purely abstract pictures must have no
emotional impact because they don't associate with
anything.
NO, monoid.


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-23 15:34 [#01574699]
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that was rude. god will punish you


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-04-23 15:35 [#01574702]
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i think i'll be ok.


 

offline Tsimbrilo from North Garlagore (Zimbabwe) on 2005-04-23 15:46 [#01574712]
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I don't ask about neurophysiological mechanisms of sound
perception. The question is : if mechanism for understanding
any work of art is association, then what music associates
with ? And if no, then what is this mechanism ?


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-23 15:53 [#01574718]
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I'll agree, that question is very interesting. I don't have
an answer, unfortunately, and I can see no logical reason as
to why certain sequences of notes and combinations of notes
provoke certain reactions. Help ??


 

offline Tsimbrilo from North Garlagore (Zimbabwe) on 2005-04-23 16:05 [#01574732]
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If association, then association with speech. But what about
rhythm ?


 

offline Sire from the depths (Finland) on 2005-04-23 16:22 [#01574745]
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It's nice to see this type of discourse on this board.

In my opinion both beats and melodies can have an emotional
impact in music, partly because of the individual's
association with previous experiences relating to similar
patterns or sounds, rhythmic and melodic parts and nuances
in them. Obviously this can be very complex with
associations made from minuscule sounds etc. It's a
nostalgic way of listening to 'contemporary' music.

On the other hand, some sounds work exactly against this,
and because of that obviously have different, maybe a more
imaginative effect in the listener, raising an interest in a
different type of audience.

The combination of both works pretty well, and IMO much of
the music discussed on messageboards like this is focussed
on variations based around that idea.


 

offline bryce_berny from chronno (Canada) on 2005-04-23 16:24 [#01574747]
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beats make me like "yaaa"
and melodies make me like "ohhh"



 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-04-23 18:41 [#01574858]
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i agree man, sometimes the melody could be like "ohhh,
aahh!"


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2005-04-23 18:46 [#01574864]
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this is kind of bollocks


 

offline thatne from United States on 2005-04-23 19:07 [#01574882]
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i like melodies that make me feel the emotion "holy fucking,
shitting, nigga balls, this melody pwns."


 

offline Tsimbrilo from North Garlagore (Zimbabwe) on 2005-04-24 04:17 [#01575022]
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I must agree that emotions arise "partly because of the
individual's association with previous experiences relating
to similar patterns or sounds", but why these previous
expreiences had an emotional effect ? One is able to
understand music even if he have no previous musical
experience (this doesn't applies to some ae tracks).


 


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