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Did anyone read it? What did you think? |
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Are we talking about Joyce or is there some new exciting book / comic / eBook / SMS based soap opera called Ulysses? |
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nope. i only rread the Radio Times. |
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yes, the one that ends with the monologue of craaaaziness |
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I really want to read it. I even have an annotated version, perched ready to jump into my hands and be read. but I always try sneaking past very quietly, filled with dread. |
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definitely worth all the fuss, a serious mindsuck |
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I think you need the annotated version to get the full benefit, I read Anthony Burgess' guide to all the references, you do need a bit of knowledge of Irish history and politics to get the full value for your reading time investment. |
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isnt that the one with the cyclopses? |
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that was what I was thinking - this surely is a book with which anyone can use some help. same goes for Shakespeare - simply because a lot of the English language has changed in meaning, so words will have meant something completely different at that time. |
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and because it's impossible to make head norr tail of what's going on. |
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a bit like xltronic then ha ha ha ha |
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yes, reading ulysses is completly impossible, and we should never try |
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it's not. but Shakespeare is. simple point of fact. |
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I'm only parrt joking. But I rreally can't rread Shakespeare. I have so much trrouble with everry single sentence it's not worrth the efforrt forr a storry. |
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blackadder said it best- "oh look here comes othello, talking total crap as usual" |
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I read it last summer. Some bits are really impossible. But some parts are really amazing and funny... the brothel sequence is pretty much a literature version of steinbolt, one that sticks with me. And yes, Molly Bloom's monologue at the end is a highlight too. Its one that you want to read on a loop - it was only towards the end of the book I started to realise how it should be approached. I can't imagine ever having read it were it not for my deathly boring lunch break in my deathly boring workplace last summer, but I'm so glad I did and plan to study it more at university. |
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XLT: Where it's ok to listen to shit music as long as it's been clarified that's by Autechre, but Shakespeare's not worth the bother. |
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if some bits are impossible, how can you follow the whole story? |
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are they dead? |
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telemachus |
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sounds about rright. |
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yumi |
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The story is incredibly basic, its basically just one man's day in Dublin. There's so many layers to it you could appreciate it for an endless number of things :) |
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Stately, plump Buck Mulligan came from the stairhead, bearing a bowl of lather on which a mirror and a razor lay crossed. A yellow dressinggown, ungirdled, was sustained gently behind him by the mild morning air. He held the bowl aloft and intoned: -- Introibo ad altare Dei. Halted, he peered down the dark winding stairs and called up coarsely: -- Come up, Kinch! Come up, you fearful jesuit! Solemnly he came forward and mounted the round gunrest. He faced about and blessed gravely thrice the tower, the surrounding country and the awaking mountains. Then, catching sight of Stephen Dedalus, he bent towards him and made rapid crosses in the air, gurgling in his throat and shaking his head. Stephen Dedalus, displeased and sleepy, leaned his arms on the top of the staircase and looked coldly at the shaking gurgling face that blessed him, equine in its length, and at the light untonsured hair, grained and hued like pale oak. |
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MR LEOPOLD BLOOM ATE WITH RELISH THE INNER ORGANS OF BEASTS and fowls. He liked thick giblet soup, nutty gizzards, a stuffed roast heart, liver slices fried with crustcrumbs, fried hencod's roes. Most of all he liked grilled mutton kidneys which gave to his palate a fine tang of faintly scented urine. |
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the Molly monologue is one of the most beautiful things ever, I'd have to agree with that. Kate Bush's "The sensual world" is about Molly Bloom (what if she would be able to step off the page and experience the world), in FACT Bush wanted to start the album and song with the last few sentences of the book but she was denied the rights! ssyeah!! |
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Yes, I think the final monologue is one of the best parts of the book, it allows such characterisation and gives us such empathy with Molly, how did you find it as the end of the novel? |
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The cartoon is actually on the tv channel "Jetix+1" now, shortly followed by "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors" *continues viewing* |
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it's me no no small robot you know. friend of ulysses. (uly-y-y-y-y-sses) |
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the whole thing is on dvd, you know. the whole set isn't that expensive, I believe. |
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Its ok, but not really something I'd want so much to buy it on DVD |
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As much as i'm a fan of joyce's earlier stuff, i think i should really save ulysses for another day. A lot of the "modernist experiment" takes a lot of slow reading and slower thinking to get anything from it for me, and i just haven't got the time at the moment, sadly. I'm quite eager to find that kind of thinking space actually, it's been quite a while since i've had chance to read something without being interrupted by some cunt in work. Yeh. |
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haha you're all getting so worked up about the complexity of ulysses give finnegans wake (notice the lack of apostrophe) a try :D:D it begins midway through a sentence and ends midway through a sentence. circular motion - you're meant to be able to start the book at place, any paragraph, and read it through and it'll make just as much sense. Not sure if i agree with this since it does still tell a story, that of a dublin barman, but the idea is still intruiging. As is the fact that it includes 10 'special' words, 9 of them each 99 letters long and the other 100 letters long. I became obsessed with joyce about two years ago. I plan to read ulysses when I get the time, probably in a year or two. |
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I hear what you say 'bout F-Wake. The way I use THAT book is to just open it up in the random (kinda like it's supposed to be read), and read a few lines or pages and giggle or tremble uncontrollably for a series of moments. |
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i used to do the same at home :D crazy stuff. and to think it all actually makes sense. |
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i tried reading Ulysses when i was taking a foreign literature course, but quickly gave up - partly because i just didn't have that much time to digest all that 'stream-of-consciousness' stuff. i agree with those who say that it's simply impossible to read the whole thing. but a book like this is definitely worth checking out, if only to satisfy your curiosity :D btw, in our city there's a bay called Ulysses (or Uliss, as we call it in Russian). |
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