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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-01-17 15:02 [#01463964]
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As in, music that grows on you and shit. Do you end up liking these musics more than the ones that you instantly "clicked with"? If yes, name said musics. This is an important.
Here are some of mine, like:
- Jamie Lidell - Muddlin' Gear - Opeth - Deliverance - Speedy J - A Shocking Hobby - Matmos - The Civil War - The Velvet Underground - White Light / White Heat - Smog - Knock Knock - James Plotkin and Brent Gutzeit - Mosquito Dream
Anyway, i think i tend to like the "growers" more than the "instants" when it comes down to it. Also, i wonder if this thread will just turn into a big list of albums.
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2005-01-17 15:05 [#01463968]
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i think the biggest grower for me was draft 7.30 i absolutely hated that shit first time round
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-17 15:05 [#01463971]
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"growers" are the ones that you'll keep listening to over the years.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-01-17 15:07 [#01463977]
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Radiohead - Amnesiac Luke Vibert - Yoseph
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2005-01-17 15:08 [#01463980]
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Speedy J - A Shocking Hobby wasn´t a "grower" for me
well said qrter, your avatar fits very well with that phrase
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2005-01-17 15:13 [#01463994]
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Yes.
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2005-01-17 15:15 [#01463997]
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another big grower [b]interpol[/b] first time i thought,wow, this is complete overhyped rubbish
then i ended up listening to same cd (turn on the bright lights) in my discman for a month
i even like antics after 5-6 listens, more and more every time..
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2005-01-17 15:16 [#01463999]
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My cock.
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2005-01-17 15:16 [#01464000]
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go, i suck at html
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-01-17 15:17 [#01464002]
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I'd only heard his very early releases prior to "a shocking hobby", so i wasn't quite prepared for it. Plus i bought it when i was about 14, so that may have something to do with it.
Also: yes, i find myself listening less to the growers than the instants, but liking them more and more every time i do. It's nice.
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uzim
on 2005-01-17 15:18 [#01464004]
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"Do you end up liking these musics more than the ones that you instantly "clicked with"?
> depends, not necessarily. there are records i loved right from second or third listen (first listen never counts) and still love/listen to often now months or years ago, and some that needed a lot more time for me to get into that i don't listen to anymore and never got me that *superlove* effect the first kind gave me.
of course it's not always the case. but all in all, i'd say that for example Morcheeba has much better "(how much i love it)*(how often i play it)/(how long it took me to get into it)" value than Autechre...
this said, i wouldn't just keep the "easy" kind, there are moments where i want to listen to some difficult/abstract stuff, also for broadening musical horizons, and all in all it's still worth it. : )
another point: a "grower" for a certain person can be an "instant love" for another person. (maybe i'll like Transformer by Lou Reed someday? it would have been a hard one!)
the lastest thing that growth into me and took its damn time to do so was SunnO)))... ("Flight Of The Behemoth", that's the only album i have from them so far) - i've had the album from months and so far only played it rarely, thought it was ok, but now i'm starting to really dig it
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2005-01-17 15:18 [#01464005]
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interpol god
ccc
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2005-01-17 15:20 [#01464009]
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morcheeba was quite rubbish after who can you trust
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 15:22 [#01464014]
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phoenecia - brownout
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uzim
on 2005-01-17 15:22 [#01464017]
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oh, shit my english...
months or years ago even though i've been playing it for months or years
growth grown
deepspace9mm > i loved Deliverance from the first listen by the way. great album, one of my essentials : )
weltact > i've started by 'Big Calm', and got 'Who Can You Trust?' afterwards... love both... but i've read they really went downhill after that indeed.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 15:24 [#01464020]
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on brownout - when it was first recommended to me, and i started to listen it was just ok, but now it is one of my favorite releases ever, it grew on me like a fungus.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 15:26 [#01464024]
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squarepushers go plastic, i friggan hated this for about a year! it was too short, to was to frenetic blah blah, now it is my fav release by him, took me so long to get into it.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-01-17 15:26 [#01464025]
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Ah, i've been meaning to check out SunnO))) for about a zillion years. I'll stick "flight of the behemoth" on The Big List Of Things, thanks.
The thing with growers is that you don't immediately spunk in your kecks with joy, it's more of an "oh! that's very nice" experience, a little bit more every time you listen. Personally i enjoy that in music (and other ArtyAreas too, actually). It feels a bit like you're properly interacting with the sounds, rather than it twatting you between the eyes and telling you it's great.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-17 15:31 [#01464031]
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even better is when you didn't think much of the ArtyArea-piece in the first place.
I love how you can like 1 or 2 tracks on a cd and slowly, the other tracks open themselves to you.
I've had this with so many albums it's ridiculous.
lately it's been with Moodog's work, I guess. I just love it when an album unlocks.
it does indeed give some feeling of exploration and interactivitationicity.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 15:31 [#01464032]
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non-electronic: im thinking.....hmmm....
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-17 15:32 [#01464034]
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most of the good old Captain's work has this effect, btw.
(Captain Beefheart, I mean.)
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-01-17 15:36 [#01464045]
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i like Grower's Direct... but i dunno, i think maybe i'm a little too old for that shit now... if we're gonna drink liquour, might as well not pussy foot around the issue... vodka is a decent standby, rum if i don't have enough cash...
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-01-17 15:39 [#01464054]
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Oh yes, i forgot the good old Captain.
When i first bought Troust Mask Replica, the first two or three tracks really made me sit up and listen hard, but there was no way i could actually bring myself to listen to the full album at the time. Needless to say, nowadays it's one of those albums that i bring out very occasionally to really properly listen to whilst doing nothing else... it seems to "deserve" it somehow.
Not to compare them, but i do this with phatholocyanine's "25 tracks fer 1 track" too. It's like a separate little musical world, but it took me more than 2 years to really love.
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uzim
on 2005-01-17 15:39 [#01464055]
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i don't know if "Flight Of The Behemoth" is their best, since it's the only one i know : )
but it has the highest rating on AMG and also two tracks in collaboration with Merzbow on it.
qrter > "I love how you can like 1 or 2 tracks on a cd and slowly,
the other tracks open themselves to you. I've had this with so many albums it's ridiculous."
> yes, me too... often it's like, two or three tracks that stand out and the others sounds the same at first listens.
Moondog is jazz right? what kind of?
i only like Captain Beefheart at small doses... maybe it's still growing, dunno, my opinion on it hasn't changed so far.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-01-17 15:42 [#01464061]
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we are in agreement on Muddlin' Gear... also: quasimoto- the unseen Gunter Muller and Toshimaru Nakamura- Tint Kiyoshi Mizutani- Yokosawa Iri Beach Boys- Pet Sounds Franz Hautzinger- Gomberg (v/a)- Meeting at Offsite vol. 1 Sightings- Absolutes
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 15:42 [#01464063]
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slint spiderland grew on me like a cancer - it totally owns me.
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2005-01-17 15:47 [#01464072]
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grand buffet mf doom
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2005-01-17 15:48 [#01464073]
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oh yes how could i forget slint
now thats a fucking grower!
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-01-17 15:48 [#01464075]
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Heh, as usual i've heard fuck all from that list (although i have been meaning to check out more doom stuff), apart from pet sounds.
Pet sounds was one of those immediate loves for me... it might be one of the few "instant" records i only get out occasionally, not just to hear, but to really listen to. It's really lovely. Same with spiderland, oddly enough. They're honestly two of the only instant-albums i listen to all that much. Loveless being another one.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-01-17 15:53 [#01464078]
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as a caveat, i should say that it is likely that i didn't like Pet Sounds originally, because i was too young and stupid to appreciate fine pop music...
also Quasimoto is not Doom, but rather his madvillain partner in crime Madlib... it is better than Madvillain... but i should warn you: it's a grower.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2005-01-17 16:00 [#01464090]
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Ahh, i thought i'd made a slipup somewhere in that post, too much sodding beer. I've got madlib's blue note remix album, but i didn't think all that much of it really. Although it might be A Grower for the future, i dunno.
Anyway, i'll check out "the unseen", merci beaucoup.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-17 16:51 [#01464153]
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Man first time I heard Interpol I thought it was totally amazing shit. One of those few records that blows you away the first time you hear it and then continues to blow you away (like Loveless)
I think Bjork's records are generally quite difficult at first. Also I didn't get Prefuse 73 at all when I first heard him and now I think he's a genius.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-01-17 16:53 [#01464154]
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I can't be arsed to think but I'd say the mjaority of drukqs was a grower
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 16:55 [#01464155]
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so you didnt like drukqs at first listen? i thought it was pretty straight forward esp those prepared pieces, which were great from the moment i pressed play...
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stilaktive
from a place on 2005-01-17 16:55 [#01464157]
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Interpol. used to hate them but now i love them,
i cant wait till i hate them again then start to love them.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-17 16:55 [#01464158]
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slint was a grower? really?
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stilaktive
from a place on 2005-01-17 16:56 [#01464160]
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again
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-01-17 16:56 [#01464161]
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Took me quite a lot of listens to get the feel for it. When I first heard it, it was too much to take in if you get what I mean.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 16:57 [#01464166]
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i thought it was, kind of experimental when i first heard it, keep in mind that i was a nirvana and nin boy, so when i first heard it, was like that is just ok, but after a few months it got really good, and still now when i listen i cant believe how amazing it is, makes me want to create art, it does :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-17 16:58 [#01464168]
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well, technically anything can be a grower for the right person.
I heard "goodmorning captain" and was immediately sold.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 17:00 [#01464170]
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anything by mogwai grows on me, the more i listen to it - the only one i liked right off the bat was come on die young - by most of their stuff is very good, but i found after repeat listens that the music is really complex, and good.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 17:01 [#01464174]
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yes, goodmorning captain got me from the start, but spiderland was not so obvious, now it is probably the most important piece of music i have.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-17 17:03 [#01464178]
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wilco: yankee hotel foxtrot a ghost is born
2 definate growers for me.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-01-17 17:03 [#01464179]
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aah I have this thing with Mogwai that it just sounds too much like Slint.. it really annoys me.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-17 17:04 [#01464182]
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i think: cody expounds on slints ideas, mogwai's other stuff doesnt really sound like slint to me, rock action and hsfhp just sound very good, good instrumentation.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2005-01-17 17:16 [#01464210]
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this isnt about growing weed is it
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2005-01-17 20:21 [#01464505]
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this thread only proves how one mans grower is another mans instant love, as uzim already said
its so interesting to c how ppl have totally different perceptions of certain sound on a first listen...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-01-17 20:26 [#01464511]
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push the buttons - chemical brothers
because it couldn't possibly go in any other way but to grow on me. totally disappointed after the first listen.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-17 20:28 [#01464512]
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doesnt always mean it will get better... :-/
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-01-17 20:29 [#01464513]
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that's what im affraid of as well..
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