 |
|
You are not logged in! F.A.Q Log in Register |
 |
|
 |
 Now online (1)recycle ...and 87 guests Last 5 registered Oplandisks nothingstar N_loop yipe foxtrotromeo Browse members... |
 |
Members 8025Messages 2613412 Today 4 Topics 127499 |
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
shall i start buying all my stuff on vinyl? in a recent aphex interview apparetly he says he prefers vinyl for 'dynamics' and it will never die. in another interview he says he only listens to mp3's now. but anyway: how does vinyl sound better when it is recorded at 44.1 khz 16bit, same as CD?? when someone samples tracks of CD's at that rate, makes a track and puts it out on vinyl, how can it sound better than originally? and vinyls are bulky and u cant play them in ur car. but they again they feel nice, and prospects of DJing may be round the corner. help me please. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
"in a recent aphex interview apparetly he says he prefers vinyl for 'dynamics' and it will never die" That was a fake interview... personally I prefer CDs. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
CDs and vinyls serve different purposes really |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
The best music is released only on vinyl nowadays, me thinks....But dont bother... Vinyl is expensive and it contains only 4 or 5 tracks per record |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I only buy limited edition vinyl, stuff that is swanky packaged or selling stupidly cheap in vinyl shops... my Pearl Jam collection of vinyl cost me about £50, it's worth £2000, that's why I buy vinyl |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i like the little Metal Slug man for ur pic grinningcat. nice1 ;) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
wow thanks for the replies crew i only posted that like 20mins ago!! yeah i know that gif is cool! nicked it off some guy on another msgboard! u guys better find some cool gifs to put up to! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I would buy vinyl too, its just a nicer thing to have, I like the quality of the sound too... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
aren't vinyls more expensive? So my question is, why pay more for them? CDs are awesome... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
most records are pritty cheap but they can get up to hundreds of dollars, i want to start buying vinyl, i have two records , theres just no store's near me i have to like take a bus all the way downtown and im lazy as hell |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
CDs make more sense to buy, but vinyl just seems special...I can't really put my finger on what it is. And with regards to all the really good music coming out on vinyl now, I would argue that the best music is the stuff you find online after digging around for a while. But then, I'm an mp3 whore, right down to the nomad II player, so maybe I don't get to talk. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Hi grinningcat, u r just missing a HUGE difference!(sorry, i don't mean 2 b rude). Vynil (unlike CD) is an analog medium and can't be recorded at 16 bit (it just doesn't make sense to talk about bit depth in the analog domain). Vynil has a very limited dynamic range (about 75dB) compared to CD (96dB). Vynil will never support surround recordind due to its physical nature but u can't scratch on CD's and a cd player is not as sexy as a 1210...hav phun, mate |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I dont buy vinyl anymore unless i have to. as it is, i dont have that much anymore. ive got both HAB's, the recent SP untitled, and a bunch of other misc. stuff. mouse on mars, plaid, etc. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
vinyl. thank you. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Richie Hawtin been singing the praises of Final Scratch... it's a software/hardware combo that lets you play & manipulate Digital sound as you would with Vinyl i.e. you can beatmix, scratch etc. MP3s... There have been previous attempts at this but latency, the time between you asking a bit of SW/HW to do something and when it actually does it, was always a problem (as Digital Guitarists will tell you)... FS has solved this problem and from the reports I've heard, is very very responsive... It's pretty expensive at the moment as it comes with a dedicated SONY laptop but I believe Native Instruments are in talks with FS about using this sort of interface on their sampler software.... It's gonna take a few years but this sort of Tech is definately the way of the future... Check out the web site at www.finalscratch.com .... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yep but whats i was saying was... for example, any electronic musician masters his music at a particular bitrate and resolution, for example an artist may use many 16 bit samples... and once the track is finished on computer in its 16bit form, it cannot gain anything by pressing it onto vinyl. i guess with like a jazz record, mastered from tape it would be different. maybe i shud stick to CDs after all then... yep vinyls are more expensive, but for some reason there seems to be a particular affection for them... whereas CD comparitively are spawn of the devil |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Yep, I understand where you are coming from with regard to using 16bit samples etc... One thing to bear in mind is the mastering process itself can have a huge effect on the end sound...when a Vinyl master is cut, the cutting engineer has to re-EQ & Compress the track which alters the finished sound... The process is different for both CD's & Vinyl...hence a Vinyl copy can sound different than a CD copy... Whether that difference equates to Better is wholly subjective...some people prefer the sound of CD, others prefer Vinyl... Personally I find CDs to be whole lot more convenient for my uses than Vinyl - if I were a DJ and had to use decks then obviously, Vinyl is the way to go (at the moment)... for day to day use at home, CD is easily the more convenient format... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
vinyl has a bigger frequency response than cd. meaning the bass will be deeper, and the treble will be brighter. this is probably still the main reason it gets played out in clubs, its a bigger sound. i personally only buy a limited amount of vinyl. its hard to store, easy to scratch. i do however love the packaging of vinyl, you seem to get more for your money. thorpe ___________________________ www.hepoburnenthorpe.zzn.com |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It's funny how people always cite the greater range of frequencies as reason for vinyl. However, if music is made electronically, it has a limited bit-rate anyway, so vinyl won't magically add frequencies in between. Imagine if you recorded MP3's to vinyl, they wouldn't sound any better. Although it's just a matter of opinion I (and lots of my friends) prefer Mp3's to CD or vinyl. I find that it stripping away the frequencies you can't hear makes it a lot easier to hear "embedded" sounds and very quite detail that you can't normally hear on CD. I also like the fact you can fit 20 hrs worth on a CD! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
BTW how do you get animated pics? Just use animated .Gifs? I predict that another audio standard like MP3 will come out but one that uses AI to pick up on certain frequencies to boost them for clarity based on what else is being played at the time. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I generally rip all audio to my computer in ogg format due to its open nature, its gunna catch on big time IMO. Find out more about it www.ogg.org. Of course almost all that I download will be mp3. (* Yea just a Gif) _TB_ |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Check out the Myths section of r3mix.net for the facts on CD vs Mp3 vs Vinyl... Yep, OGG is pretty cool & you get smaller files at the same bitrate as MP3 but there are very few hardware MP3 players that can play the files...there are a couple that do but they are pretty rare... Ceri...theres already quite a few standards that are messurably better than MP3...MP3Pro, AAC, OGG, SHN, Liquid Audio etc... but they are coming to play a bit late in the day... To my mind, MP3 is one of those "good enough" formats that becomes the defacto standard (which MP3 has)...even when technically superior formats become available... a la VHS & BETAMAX... So like it or not, it's gonna be the standard for quite a few years to come...that seems to be the way these standards work... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I would have to go with Cd's.... This comes from the fun fact that you can get ANY new album online....for free... File sharing is far from dead..... I have not had to buy a cd in 2 years.... (psssst...vinyl is still fun....) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I read that r3mix.org stuff, quite interesting. The argument about CD etc. is very true. 16.7 million colours is more than the eye can see (distinguish between) yet people insist on using it. I agree that if you played two notes, the minimal volume and/or pitch difference would not be noticable to *anyone*, I believe. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
if the recording is done in analogue vinyl will hold more of the original signal. not that anyone is mastering in analogue these days. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i prefer vinyl, where i live (uk) it is cheaper in some shops than cd, and you do get better stuff, like picture discs n stuff. loads of ltd editions too. i love vinyl. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
sorry hep, u'd better revise some of yer studies cuz .1 vynil has not a bigger frequency response than cd since is very very limited in LF 2. "big sound" in club is achieved only by heavy compression(almost 95% of them play in mono) 3. cutting a master in vynil can introduce serious phase correlation problems 4. if you can hear freq. above Nyquist one you must be a dog or you are listening to some really expensive loudspeaker 5. have u ever heard about oversampling theory? 6. once again, vynil will never support surround sound.Anyway let's dance to some funky crappy vynil and listen to CD's on great speakers. Personally i love vynil despite the fact is an obsolete technology |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
cd's hold more vinyl is got a nice mixable sound that is kinda nostalgic |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
iyou can also cover your walls with records and it will be better of sound quality |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
cds play in my car loud. much easier to buy and find. convience is a strong point. i've already spent way too much on what i've bought anyway. records wear out. easier to scratch (damage) when you are fucked up. sound great though, fun to collect sure, no doubt. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the only difference IMO is that old analogue made music on vinyl sounds better. from my experience my jazz records are far better than their cd versions. same with the vu, beatles, eno, talking heads, magazine etc. all sounding better on vinyl. but listening to newer music i can't notice differences only that cd is more practical. vinyl can also be dirt cheap. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
look at my pic and see what i'm thinking... <--- i love cd too. and cassette. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I use to love just to buy cd's but now I love the sound of listening to vinyls. Not long ago i brought HAB2 for a wicked price in amazing condition and listening to that on vinyl is lovely. I am now trying to buy as much Aphex on vinly as I can. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I prefer CDs, because vinyl deteriorates the more you play it. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
vinyl |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I like both. Talking about the playback rather than the recording: both CD and vinyl have a frequency response of about 20-20000Hz CD has superior dynamic range and signal to noise ratio than vinyl CD being a non-contact media is FAR longer lasting than vinyl. Play a CD 100 times, a record 100 times and the record might deteriorate slightly. CD will not (unless you physically scratch it) CD is more convenient Vinyl is often easier on the ear, CD can sound tiring. Invest in a decent turntable (a beltdrive NOT some Technics bollocks) and you will appreciate vinyl for its unique qualities. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I like both. Talking about the playback rather than the recording: both CD and vinyl have a frequency response of about 20-20000Hz CD has superior dynamic range and signal to noise ratio than vinyl CD being a non-contact media is FAR longer lasting than vinyl. Play a CD 100 times, a record 100 times and the record might deteriorate slightly. CD will not (unless you physically scratch it) CD is more convenient Vinyl is often easier on the ear, CD can sound tiring. Invest in a decent turntable (a beltdrive, NOT some Technics bollocks) and you will appreciate vinyl for its unique qualities. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I like both. Talking about the playback rather than the recording: both CD and vinyl have a frequency response of about 20-20000Hz CD has superior dynamic range and signal to noise ratio than vinyl CD being a non-contact media is FAR longer lasting than vinyl. Play a CD 100 times, a record 100 times and the record might deteriorate slightly. CD will not (unless you physically scratch it) CD is more convenient Vinyl is often easier on the ear, CD can sound tiring. Invest in a decent turntable (a beltdrive NOT some Technics bollocks) and you will appreciate vinyl for its unique qualities. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
sorry about that, bloody multi-posters ey?! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
so basically theres no point in me buying vinyl then unless i wanna DJ, and when some1 says vinyl sounds 'better' they're lying, as technically CD is perfect, all they're hearing is a bit of hiss and this contributes to the apparenty 'warmth' of vinyl sound?! :-) ok cool |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i guess losts of people like cd's because theres more of a selection and there easyer to find, but alot of artists put out stuff that you can only find on vinyl |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Yeah they do, the bastards! Why aren't those Boards of Canada/Hell Interface tracks available on CD?!!! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
because vinyl is a lot cooler... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
they are trying to get people into vinyl records. like this rock group "hellacopters" from sweden. they release all their albums on both cd and vinyl, but there's always an bonus track on the vinyl version. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Theory says that you can record signal well above 20K on vinyl but how many of you own electrostatic loudspeakers? How many of you reckon to be able to hear upper harmonics?Vinyl doesn't go down to 20Hz and unless you have pro-monitor (PMC, Mackie HR824, Quested, Genelec)you'll never hear 20Hz(no matter how loud u r playing your music). CD has error correction algorithm, vinyl hasn't.CD and vinyl are recording medium not devices so S/N ratio doesn't apply (=someone is confusing S/N with dynamic range). Vinyl is not "sweeter" nor "warmer" than CD but this feeling comes from "old fashion recording".When digital recorders weren't an industry standard, music was mastered on 2" analog tapes (have a go with early Kraftewerk records).Tape allowed engineers to "push" the level slightly saturating it.Therefore a "warm", controlled "even harmonics" distortion was introduced(2" at 30 ips..that's not your home tape recorder).That's why someone still record on tape(especially if u hav shitloadz of money).That's it(more or less) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Try Magneto for some tape-like feeling, then add Grungelizer and....!!!!Digital becomes crackly, hummy, phasey vinyl |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
wow this is a popular one |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
6dBspl My Arcam Alpha 8SE CD player has an S/N ratio of >105dB, it says so in the manual so S/N ratio does apply My Ortofon 510 cartridge has a frequency response of 20-20000Hz... whether or not you can here 20Hz is a different matter. Also CD has NO error correction whatsoever. CDROM is a different story altogether, that has error correction. And finally if a CD and Vinyl were to be pressed from the same mastertape, vinyl would sound warmer... it just does. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you can feel the 20hz... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
VINYL JUNKY ME |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Messageboard index
|
|||||||||
