 |
|
You are not logged in! F.A.Q Log in Register |
 |
|
 |
 Now online (1)ijonspeches ...and 233 guests Last 5 registered Oplandisks nothingstar N_loop yipe foxtrotromeo Browse members... |
 |
Members 8025Messages 2613457 Today 3 Topics 127500 |
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
why are they dissed nowadays (on this board at least)? i don't get it... some people even use it as an insult... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Hippies are considered overly liberal, lazy, non-violent wussies that dont do anything productive. They've been dissed for many years actually, since the 70's. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It's because the particular meme, ie piece of information replicating from brain to brain, that hippies are "uncool" etc. has had two fairly recent powerful replication sources: southpark (cartman uses hippy as an insult) and maddox's "the best page in the universe" (it has one or more hippy bashes). When used, it's best not to think of what's really being said, but rather the very general basic insult it has evolved to become. It's like the new cool insult and can be used to insult anything, regardless of how characteristically hippie that thing is. "My teacher is such a hippy for giving me all this homework". "here dog, fetch" *doesn't fetch* "hippy!" I use gay in this way all the time as an insult, with the exception as directed to qrter who really is gay. I hope this helps. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Heh... I think its the laziness and the inability to cope with reality that kinda do it for me. I know too many hippies. The last one that I talked to recently, when asked what he was doing lately, was "actually, I am panhandling. Its the best job I have ever had. Got rid of my job and appartment so that I can reduce stress. I have never been better." Heh... I can't wait untill it gets really cold. Goddamned hippies. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Out of experience, I recommend panhandling with a knife or gun. It works much better. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
sure it's fucking lazy, but on the flipside he's not a fucking drain on the world's resources like all of us are... even if your standard hippy was lazy, (which i think is an idea that has largely been fabricated, as just about every person i know who could be considered a hippy is just as active as i am or more... ) i still feel insanely guilty for living as a fucking western glutton... i wonder more and more what I take as a given in my lifestyle is truly sustainable... and i'm not a real waster or anything... fact of the matter is that western countries have it insanely good... far too good... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i don't mind the lifestyle so much as the artistic posturing, the pretense of enlightenment, the implicit condescension. it's a mentality of resentment and failure. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
because hippies destroyed the values of family, reliability, civility, security, achievement principle and etiquette. because free love has nothing to do with liberation of the individual but is every macho's dream. because they blindly whorshipped violent totalitarian communistic leaders like mao tse tung or stalin. so i've read. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
that sounds more like a poser than a hippy to me... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
well, the stench is what really does it for me. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
better than yuppies |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
some thoughts: hippies have been the target of cultural animosity for years because they resist the programming of the status quo. some examples: they aren't obsessed with eliminating every odor their body produces and masking their scent with corporate perfumes...not surprisingly the people who have bought into the cleanliness obsession constantly harp on how they smell. in the sixties, growing your hair long was a profound act of civil disobedience. in many areas of the us, you could be physically attacked for having long hair. even now, "long hair" is assumed to be an insult when directed at anyone. being mindful of growing environmental problems, hippies chose to disconnect from the mainstream culture's materialist, consumerist tendencies. in reaction, they turned to farming and working on developing environmentally-friendly energy sources. their refusal to obsess over earning money, buying tv's and cars and clothes earned them the label of laziness. they are repeatedly (and have been for years) portrayed in the mass media as crazy, charles manson-esque ne'er-do-wells or hedonistic fashion-mongers who sympathize with communists and terrorists. lots of people seem to base their opinion of "hippies" on the local teenagers who smoke too much pot, listen to the grateful dead, burn incense and smell more ripe than the average local teen. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
name a group stereotype that doesn't get made fun of.. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
what people are questioning is the accuracy of the stereotypes... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
stereotypes are inherantly vague. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Read Marcuse, Horkheimer & Adorno |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i love being a hippy. of course none of that free love makes it over to me that often. T__T |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i think stereotypes actually supply a high contrast to substitute for the vagueness of reality. a stereotype is a black and white label that obscures all of the subtleties and uniqueness of an individual. a stereotype says flatly, "this is who you are." stereotypes are inherently specific... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
well, they assign a class of traits to a group of individuals. yes, they're specific in that they assign the same traits to every member of the group, but they're vague in the sense that they cast a very broad net. stereotypes are very useful though. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I hate hippies Why don't they die? I hate hippies Cause they're always fried Cause they're slow - I'm fast They're dumb - I'm smart They're weak - I'm strong I'm right - and they're wrong Hippies are fucked Cause they're always stoned We should put em away In a retirement home Cause they're slow - I'm fast They're dumb - I'm smart They're weak - I'm strong I'm right - and they're wrong We should kill 'em Kill em like calfs Cut off their long hair And do it now! Cause they're slow - I'm fast They're dumb - I'm smart They're weak - I'm strong I'm right - and they're fucking wrong |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
plaidzebra - you make a lot of good points that i agree with. but i think there really is a vast majority of post-60's hippies who fit into a negative stereotype. from my personal experience, dealing with literally hundreds of "hippies" in my life, the good ones are few and far between. most of the hippies i meet fit completely into the worst possible stereotypes, and even the ones who are politically-active ruin what they have to say by presenting it in an obnoxious and/or embarrassing way. again, this doesn't apply to all hippies, just every single hippie i have ever met, which is A LOT. hippies have been the target of cultural animosity for years because they resist the programming of the status quo. - great point. i agree. original hippies from the 60's really were on the right track and did very important and profound political and cultural things. but even back then, there were not that many real hippies - it was mostly drug-culture teenagers. the real activists were about protesting war, fighting the establishment, un-arresting political prisoners - great, great stuff. unfortunately, most of america saw the superficial side of things and that's what most teenagers latched onto. they aren't obsessed with eliminating every odor their body produces and masking their scent with corporate perfumes...not surprisingly the people who have bought into the cleanliness obsession constantly harp on how they smell. - i don't buy this excuse. hippies - just take a shower. there's no reason to smell like filth, hippie-oil and pot all the time. it's gross. think of others, please. being mindful of growing environmental problems, hippies chose to disconnect from the mainstream culture's materialist, consumerist tendencies. - this paragraph makes a really good point. i agree. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
hippies evolve into yuppies, it's kind of like pokemon. and yes, a lot of them do smell. i will be a 'hippie' one day. i have too much work to do for now. anyone got a farm they want worked? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
a worse stereotype than hippies, is the view on homeless people, i think that 99% of what is believed of homeless people is just simply sterotype tripe. if you actually talked to a person who is labled as homeless, each of them has a story to tell, of why there are where they are, many are vets many more simple dont mind being homeless, but if you ask someone what they think, most of time it is always negative. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
how are stereotypes useful? they seem reduce an individual to a representative of a small set of superficial characteristics. they seem to be unchallenged assumptions. they seem to represent limited, shallow thinking. they seem to represent barriers between people, and they seem to promote judgement, resentment, division, hatred. unquestionably, however, some people do assume the superficial characteristics of a stereotype in order to define their selves. for example, someone seeking to define themselves might say, "i'll be a hippy," so they buy a suede jacket with fringe, and patchouli incense, and smoke a lot of pot, and listen to the grateful dead, and shower infrequently. i knew a caucasian guy who desperately desired to be a african-american hip-hop gangster. he even wore a "proud to be black" tshirt. it took less than a year for him to grow out of it. next he became a "conservative fraternity member," then he moved on to "hippy stoner literature major." people also do this with "punk rock," "straight edge," "christian," etc etc etc. stereotypes seem a very interesting, complicated social phenomenon, linked to so many different facets of our culture and the individuals within the culture. how do we arrive at our identities? how much of our "selves" is appropriated, borrowed? if they are useful, let stereotypes be the agents that stimulate an examination of one's own fundamental beliefs and unchallenged assumptions... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
agreed, people who are homeless also seem to be frequently unfairly stereotyped... in general, though, i think more people are less likely to mock the homeless, than to mock "hippies." i understand that "hippies" may "smell" to some people, but recognize that this is how humans really do smell. who says that humans should not have a smell? in fact, if everyone "smelled like a hippy," no one would say that another individual "smelled." no one would notice anything, unless the smell became like garbage, or something dead. what is the social siginificance of eliminating one's natural odors? what's the social significance of habitually using artificial, chemical scents and perfumes to substitute? think of all the money and energy that is spent on perfumes and "deodorants." i think everyone should take the time to examine their motivations for this. i'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong for participating, btw... |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
how are stereotypes useful? well, just as an example, do you have to listen to every single avril lavigne song to decide if you like her music? no, you hear enough of them to get a general understanding of her style and come to the conclusion that you don't like her stuff. then you can save yourself the time of analizing each track. the analogy can be extended into every aspect of life. do you probably overlook and miss some things/individuals/experiences that you would probably enjoy or benifit from? of course. but, without those generalizations living a productive life would be impossible. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i don't believe in any stereotypes, to be clear. i don't think they're positive. i was just speaking from personal experience wherein certain stereotypes have repeatedly been proven true. that's all i was saying. as for your smell-theory, which smells better to you? shit or perfume? i agree that in a world where everyone went without advanced hygene, we'd all be used to smelling really bad. but where i live, that world doesn't exist. so the hippie in front of me in the checkout line might think that he's fighting a culture battle by smelling wretched, but i think he just needs to take better care of himself. of course we don't need all the things corporations sell us, but don't these people have access to water and organic hemp soap? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
seems like you have a pretty fast and loose definition of "stereotype." |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
fast and loose, that's me! |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
shit vs perfume is a little too much hyperbole... anyway, i meant only to raise issues, not issue judgements or criticism... *dabs a little shit behind each ear* |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
trust me, that guy smelled like shit. :) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
ha ha |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
i don't mind hippies. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
do you mind homeless? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
no..as long as they're not too pushy..always give them money if they ask nicely. why? you mind them? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
the dancing bear |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
We need more members like plaidzebra. +95 xlt brownie ptz. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
becomes Krishna hit on head with cricket bat and a surprise party, |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
needs to go to the shop |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
o shit, flashbackkkk. also shoutout to deadeight that guy was knowledge. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Smells |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Lies........Lies to a TV detector man and pretends he has a licence. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
that last hippie clip is pure awesome. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Tolstoyed + jnasato = hippies = rule |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Messageboard index
|
|||||||||
