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so yeah, i'm just going to do a thread about it... and at least that way when i want to mention something that no one gives a damn about it will all accumulate here... what the fuck is it? here's some stuff that's been said about it: i'll post more as i come across them... one of the most exciting parts about the whole thing is that it's all really still in the early stages and people can't even really agree on a lot of the basics yet... it is being articulated as i type this basically... that's not to say that it hasn't been around for some time in some form or another, but more on that later... people it might appeal to: fans of noise, free-jazz, glitch ambient... dunno it sort of depends, the sound is pretty diverse depending on the improvisers, and the environment... some important labels: and a shitload of others... for those getting into, maybe check out Grob... a lot of the viennese stuff on their isn't so far off from post-rock even... although you should always read about what the hell it is you are getting into... but yeah, in any case... the reason why i decided to create this tonight in the first place was to gush about a few new ones on Erstwhile: href="http://www.erstwhilerecords.com/catalog/info/el001_in mostly this one: |
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Beins and Rowe: |
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that too... |
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what's eai? |
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it stands for ElectroAcoustic Improvisation... |
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i see...i hosted one elektroaccoustic band on my radioshow. they influeces are afx,mouse on mars,squarepusher...pretty good music. tehy are named GNG...try to fine some mp3's from em. |
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okay: fer starters: basic, relatively accessible improv albums... have you heard them yet?? these three immediately jump to mind for me: and and and hmm... i'm not sure if it qualifies or not, but they're wicked anyway... so check out Supersilent... definitely in the same vein, really... |
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and then... maybe you want to check out some of the viennese "bands"... some are more austere and difficult then others... <-- in particular these guys aren't really EAI but the members are all involved in it and it's really just an awesome band anyway... you would like it probably... check it out... |
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and then: some more austrian/german stuff of interest... stepping a bit farther in now: some ersts: |
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but whoa whoa whoa... probably i should introduce a few of the players whose albums i've now cited... one of the bestest things about all this is slowly getting to know the personalities of various players through the various configurations that they show up in... so: who are we talking about here, so far? well, for one Christian ... i'm sure you all know him, and are well aware of his awesomeness... a lot of his more EAIish stuff is on the more noisy, textured end of his repertoire, but certainly, none of it is inferior (it takes a little longer to love, i will grant you that)... and another similar minded guitarist: ... he even showed up on Venice... his work is tends a bit more to the plucky, folky acoustic end of things, although he's also very capable of noise as well... it is not at all hard to find his stuff gorgeous... check check... important both as a bassist as well as the owner of both the Grob and Durian record labels... can often be spotted by his distinctive low grating bass-drones... although he is an accomplished guitarist as well... |
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and holy crap... trying to write this all up, i've found myself a very very useful resource for y'all |
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Christof Kurzmann runs Charhizma and plays both clarinet and a G2 (mac laptop)... he's important and such but i don't have much to say about him... Martin Brandlmayr is predominantly a percussionist... he plays drums and the vibraphones... i'd say he's one of the most immediately interesting improvisers out there today... his drum compositions are just flat out fascinating... even if you don't dig this shit at all for the love of god hear Radian... gah... Martin Siewert is another young Viennese guitarist... definitely more on the accessible melodic side of the spectrum... the two front attack of Stangl and Siewert on Efzeg albums is particularly gorgeous... Peter Rehberg, or is a noise-fiend at heart, but on the occasions when he shows up on EAI albums... he stirs up all manner of interesting noise-shit... |
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Hmm...a clue I fear in the ongoing investigation. |
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i fear you may be right my friend... music has died, and i believe sound was its murderer... |
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i like it : ) Sachiko M too is a quite important artist in the genre no?... i really like her album with Philip Samartzis, "Artefact"! (on the Dorobo label) the genre seems a bit limited though, once you have some albums it starts sounding pretty much the same... but it's very interesting nevertheless and everyone should give this kind of music a try. in my humble opinion. |
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yeah Sachiko is definitely important... but i don't think i'm going to do the Japanese just yet, i think they are on the less accessible end of the spectrum... as for the genre being limited... i found that the more i knew, the less i knew... because the term is so vague, and refers to such a large body of experimental music, there are multiple schools and sounds that have popped up within the genre that sound very distinctly different... what have you listened to so far, out of curiosity? |
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too much stuff to check out!! i started with 'risk' by gert-jan prins .. im kinda getting to much stuff lately..uhh |
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yeah, that one's nice... it seemed pretty darn long for a little three inch CD... i don't think i've heard much from Prins, though... i'm told that is nice... |
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ill get that one as well then :) |
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hmm, i'm not sure about some releases whether they are EAI or not... i think i have these: Philip Samartzis & Sachiko M - Artefact Keith Berry - The Golden Boat Tomas Korber, Erik M, Toshimaru Nakamura, Otomo Yoshihide - Brackwater Sachiko M, Toshimaru Nakamura, Otomo Yoshihide - Good Morning Good Night Bernhard Günter - Un Peu De Neige Salie Bernhard Günter - Time, Dreaming Itself Bernhard Günter + Steve Roden - Japan Kaffe Matthews, Andrea Neumann, Sachiko M - In Case Of Fire Take The Stairs Ryoji Ikeda - +/- I.S.O. - I.S.O. (label: Sound Tectonics) Nerve Net Noise - Meteor Circuit Yoshihide Otomo's New Jazz Quintet - Flutter Matt Shoemaker - Groundless Keith Rowe/Axel Dörner/Franz Hautziger - A View From The Window also a few albums by Ikue Mori, Mephista, AGF, Robag Wruhme, which i'm not sure are EAI or not... |
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Philip Samartzis & Sachiko M - Artefact <--yes Keith Berry - The Golden Boat <-- never heard of it Tomas Korber, Erik M, Toshimaru Nakamura, Otomo Yoshihide - Brackwater <--- yes (and how did you like it?) Sachiko M, Toshimaru Nakamura, Otomo Yoshihide - Good Morning Good Night <-- yes Bernhard Günter - Un Peu De Neige Salie Bernhard Günter - Time, Dreaming Itself Bernhard Günter + Steve Roden - Japan <-- bernhard gunter: not so much, i think that's something else... but there are definitely plenty of points of aesthetic overlap Kaffe Matthews, Andrea Neumann, Sachiko M - In Case Of Fire Take The Stairs <--- yes Ryoji Ikeda - +/- <--- probably not... although again, sometimes it has more to do with the method than the result... I.S.O. - I.S.O. (label: Sound Tectonics) <--- yes Nerve Net Noise - Meteor Circuit <--yes ? Yoshihide Otomo's New Jazz Quintet - Flutter <-- at times Matt Shoemaker - Groundless <--- ? Keith Rowe/Axel Dörner/Franz Hautziger - A View From The Window <--- very much so... and how did you like it? |
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Well this all sounds very exciting. I can't wait to listen to it in the morning |
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add to the list of viennese, kinda-sorta but not so much eai but rather maybe kraut-post-rock bands that you should hear anyway... this is the duo work of Brandlmayr and Nicholas Bussmann... to me this almost sounds like autechre-jazz... you might be interested... |
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I like EAI. I like recommendations. Yay. |
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I didn't like the Hafler Trio + Ae colaberation... I would consider that EAI. Jesus... giving it that name is certainly digging a big fat hole for itself; "...lets give all experimental styles of electronic music a three letter title, so that its easier to remember, and confuses everybody in the scene." |
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i liked Brackwater a lot : ) i liked A View From The Window less, but i'll have to give it some more listens. Keith Berry - The Golden Boat is pretty much like Bernhard Günter, but a little bit more "melodic" or something... (and with even more use of silence) Matt Shoemaker - Groundless is one single hour-long-track sounding like a trip in some unknown landscape, using field recordings and electronic sounds as well... do you know Nerve Net Noise? (the "yes?" made me wonder : ) ) |
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but it doesn't really matter because everyone's too smart to let it... the only real reason to give it a name is to get people to stick their foot in the door... that said there are certainly all sorts of connections to be found between all of this... as for hafler trio and ae... it's not eai because it's not improvised... see it's not such a catch all term now is it? Uzim: Nerve Net Noise... is that Yoshihide and Sachiko stuff... i've never heard it so i can't say for sure... but i believe it's in the same ballpark... |
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oh... i see that it isn't them at all... well i really don't know then... |
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Swiss Noisey stuff... talked about it already... also there are some other nice ones like Tomas Korber Jason Kahn (American, but lives there) Steinbruchel etc. check it out if you like really busy noisy looped stuff... a lot of their stuff is very similar to dsp-ed up idm... might be of interest... |
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NNN build their own synthesizers, program them and then mostly let them "play" the stuff by themselves, only doing slight changes... : ) <- their official site (though it probably won't be any help, and it's all in japanese) sound samples and review: quote: "At first, Nerve Net Noise enjoyed pure sound. These days, we try to think about music. We aspire to create music that is between played and not-played, between controlled and uncontrolled. We feel that consciously performed music can have too much evidence of human planning. But we also dislike random music that displays no evidence of human planning at all. We try to find a satisfying middle area with our albums." ...frankly, i'm even a bit worried that i like this... ^^ |
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That NNN stuff doesn't really appeal to me much. Radical simplicity can be refreshing but sometimes it's just a mask to disguise a lack of ideas or the patience to follow through on them. |
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yeah, you can call that charlatanism, or abuse of conceptuality for the sake of being conceptual... |
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The problem is I can build a Reaktor ensemble that does that shit in 5 minutes or less! All you have to do is throw some clock oscillators into a macro and connect them to the output for the clicky clickies, add a sample loop of a telephone run through waveshaping distortion and voila. If you're feeling bourgeois you can even add reverb. |
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so yeah, i kind of stopped doing this cause i didn't want to seem like i was some authority on the matter or something, but i do feel i ought to let you guys know about the new release on Erstwhile, by Fennesz, Oren Ambarchi, Toshimaru Nakamura, and Keith Rowe... a) because i bet some of you would really dig it and b) the more attention this stuff gets, and the more financial support it receives, the more likely it is that we'll get to see awesome cross-pollination in the future, the more i talk to some of the people involved in the labels and promotion, the more you realize to what extent great pairings are being blocked simply due to their sheer economic short comings... anyhow, enough yap. |
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we're going to have a month of this type of music in modern gallery overhere and im doing a show that will sort of introduce what the installations will be about..i came across some interesting stuff, some of it is ace but most of it extremly dificult.. there are sound libraries (this is just one of the artists..activities/track 7 is ACE) |
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Thanks for all your effort dead-8. This is very interesting stuff............ i'm d/ling Brackwater and Wrapeed Island atm.... |
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