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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-09 09:02 [#01388818] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | Is it me, or do a lot of IDM albums sound a bit too similar sound-design wise these days? Maybe it's all those super
 complex plugins everybody is into, but I remember the days
 where sounds were really fresh and it was harder to define
 that "typical sound" or a lot of albums with the same overal
 sound in the electronic music world.
 
 It's hard to explain what those sounds are....just those
 glitchy DSP-driven farting sounds that kinda whizz about. Or
 something.
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-09 09:04 [#01388820] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | *but I remember the days where sounds were really fresh and it was harder to define
 that "typical sound" or find two IDM albums from different
 artists with similar sounds being utilized.
 
 Sorry I can't construct sentences today.
 
 
 
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         |  JAroen
             from the pineal gland on 2004-11-09 09:04 [#01388821] Points: 16065 Status: Regular
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 | hey! look! itsnt that the guy that only likes music if its produced in a certain way?
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-09 09:07 [#01388823] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | wtf? 
 That thread had an entirely different purpose to what you
 understood. Sorry.
 
 I don't care how it's produced-I was making the point that
 if a computer simply spits the music out and there is little
 artistic involvment other then a few equations, that bothers
 me.
 Overall, I couldn't care less how it is produced-I listen to
 people who make albums on the fly, completely improvised,
 and others who plan it all out intricately. It's all good.
 
 
 
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         |  Sido Dyas
             from a computer on 2004-11-09 09:08 [#01388826] Points: 8876 Status: Lurker
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 | Yep , i agreism , much of it sounds the sameism. 
 
 
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         |  brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-11-09 09:10 [#01388827] Points: 6113 Status: Lurker
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 | I like music that reveals the composer's personality, like that guy who does the Toy Story theme!
 
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-09 09:11 [#01388828] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | I don't get why though. With the amount of synthesizers and harware, as well as software out there, you'd expect more
 variety.
 
 I mean, I also listen to a alot of dark ambient stuff, and
 that has a lot more variation soundwise overall (even though
 it's electronic music like IDM.)
 
 
 
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         |  brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-11-09 09:11 [#01388829] Points: 6113 Status: Lurker
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 | We need to stop trying to put this music under an umbrella. 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-09 09:12 [#01388831] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | Well, I don't like putting music into catagories either, I think it's idiotic.
 
 But it's the easiest way to get my point across.
 
 
 
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         |  brokephones
             from Londontario on 2004-11-09 09:13 [#01388833] Points: 6113 Status: Lurker | Followup to CS2x: #01388831
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 | maybe that is the point 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-09 09:15 [#01388839] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | Ok then-the typical stuff you hear on Planet Mu, Rephlex, Skam, Warp etc.
 
 
 
 
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         |  JAroen
             from the pineal gland on 2004-11-09 09:15 [#01388840] Points: 16065 Status: Regular
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 | R n B!!! 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2004-11-09 09:15 [#01388841] Points: 27859 Status: Regular | Followup to CS2x: #01388818
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 | absolutely 
 
 
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         |  isnieZot
             from pooptown (Belgium) on 2004-11-09 10:14 [#01388934] Points: 4949 Status: Lurker
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 | hey here's an idea. go make something totally new and innovative yourselfe
 instead of bitching about it.
 
 
 
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         |  bryce_berny
             from chronno (Canada) on 2004-11-09 10:50 [#01388968] Points: 1568 Status: Lurker
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 | Computer aided music does not have to sound "glitch". "Glitch" is usually a result of someone using
 software/hardware which they don't fully understand.  Trial
 and error can sound really good.  But as far as algorithmic
 composing goes, you can invest just as much time into your
 music as any other "real" musician does, and achieve
 ultimately beautiful resuts with computer aided music.
 
 
 
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         |  happy cycling
             on 2004-11-09 11:28 [#01389011] Points: 2788 Status: Lurker
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 | electronic music progresses through a ripple effect. aphex drops a new lp with a big splash, and the waves get smaller
 and smaller and more and more predictable as time goes on.
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-09 14:34 [#01389200] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | "hey here's an idea. go make something totally new and innovative yourselfe
 instead of bitching about it. "
 
 Here's an idea: learn that YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE BETTER AT
 SOMETHING to CRITICIZE OR GIVE YOUR OPINION on it.
 
 How about we all fucking just say everything is amazing,
 because we can't do better!? "Oh, I love that shit picture
 of a pot of flowers, even thought it's completely
 unoriginal, because I couldn't paint better myself!"
 
 
 
 
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         |  bryce_berny
             from chronno (Canada) on 2004-11-09 15:42 [#01389270] Points: 1568 Status: Lurker
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 | I think the smell of my own shit is better than some music. Namely, music by John "The Cougar" Mellancamp, and Rod "The
 Puckered Asshole" Stewart
 
 
 
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         |  OK
             on 2004-11-09 17:07 [#01389337] Points: 4791 Status: Lurker
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 | ANALORD!!! 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-10 08:41 [#01390007] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | donkey yellow tree. 
 
 
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         |  -crazone
             from smashing acid over and over on 2004-11-10 08:47 [#01390012] Points: 11235 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | whats an IDM album? 
 
 
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         |  dariusgriffin
             from cool on 2004-11-10 08:55 [#01390017] Points: 12516 Status: Lurker
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 | I blame the Buffer Override. 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-10 08:56 [#01390018] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | lol!! That's an plugin I've heard fucking everywhere! 
 Mind you, I'm no better...ever since I got buffer override
 I've been addicted to it. It's toooooooo easy.  :)
 
 
 
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         |  virginpusher
             from County Clare on 2004-11-10 08:57 [#01390020] Points: 27325 Status: Lurker | Followup to CS2x: #01390007
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 | I agree with the sameness factor. I dont think it is 100% common but it does happen quite frequently.
 
 happy cycling. well put.
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-10 09:21 [#01390056] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | Perhaps people should stop masturbating over plugins and start using pan pipes and stuff.
 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-11-10 10:06 [#01390093] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | I don't totally agree with the vibe you're giving off (maybe I'm reading too much into it), but yeah, there's definitely
 artists out there that don't really have any pizazz or
 spark, but they sure do know how to conjure some very
 technically sound music out of their laptop. But I don't
 think it's a widespread problem, this creative doldrums
 criticism has been around in every genre as much as music
 itself has... there's plenty of good stuff out there. When
 you say ''a lot of IDM albums'', I definitely have to agree
 with that, but on the other hand, that lot is really pretty
 negligible.
 
 
 
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         |  CS2x
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-11-10 10:11 [#01390097] Points: 5079 Status: Lurker
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 | Yeah. I didn't mean to come across as too negative, and I'm full aware there is a lot of highly original stuff.
 
 But I was talking sepecifically about sound design, and how
 it is surprising that a lot of sounds are similar in lots of
 albums, especially considering the technology available.
 
 
 
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