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...is it as scary as it seems? involving religion in politics seems just wrong to me. today i heard that priests (or whatever they're called in english) incited people to vote for Bush before the elections, and that now they would prey for the sake of people who voted Kerry for them to "repent" or something like that... -_- |
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didnt i read recently america is 90% religious. that's incredible. |
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ya, it's freaky. it's freaky how our whole system is built from religion. |
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yeah, lots of people there seem to be obsessed with religion.. almost everyone that has a public speech (no matter if he's an artist, politician or whatever) they always thank god...it can look pretty scary. |
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i woke up this morning and thanked god for the greatest gift that he could give me - being a non-american. |
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you hardly got it all your own way though, jock. not much to be thankful for really. |
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Come on now, are you really that surpirsed? Religion and Politics have been in bed together for all of civilazation. Even avowed atheist contries like the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany have religious leaders in political positions. At the very least, they were cooperating with the goverment to secure their own survival. |
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That's a shame. This really is a nice place to live. |
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There you have it folks! |
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correction - former soviet country was not atheistic, they are a different part of the cathoilics, protestants. and they always were. nazi germany were very relogious, hitler was a fanatic of god and power of good - he believed that his soldiers are driven by god himself to clean the world. |
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yes, but compared to us situation it's hardly noticable in other countries.. |
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i wouldn't call nazis religious...more of a fanatcis.. |
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yeah, weren't the nazi's somewhat pagan in their wierd beliefs? |
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well, fanatics, i dunno. hitler was very religoious tho it was far from fanatics - he just believed that hes making a god plan. its not fanatism, at least not the one we know today. it was rather blind faith in what he was doing. plus that the germanic religions were allways very specific - thor, vikings - hitler believed in this too. and what more, he believed in anciet druids, stonhedge, and stuff. |
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the entanglement of religion in politics certainly isn't new. and i think america is far from the most extreme example. but, what's scary is how much stronger we are than everyone else. if we go totally wacky fanatical, shit is going to get really fucked up really fast. |
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pagan become when they realized that the war will be loist and they wont overrule the world, they've tried to use everything to stop allies, and pagan rituals were one of the ways of preventing from disaster. of course, it was the time when no one thinked normally, so we can assume that pagan part of nazis religion was rather an a epizode than a whole aspect of the case. |
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my girlfriend is religious but she still sucks my dick like a pro. and she swallows! that's just double standards |
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The former Soviet Union was offically athiest. However the leaders of the major churches in that country made a deal with the government. KGB agents were placed in high positions within the churches to monitor their activity and ensure that they preached loyalty to the state. Hitler used religion in a similar way. Under his direction, the Catholic chruches associated his Third Reich with the Kingom of God of the gospel accounts. |
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Hitler didn't have any real, meaningful religious beliefs at all. At best he was an agnostic. He did recognise that much of the German population was christian however, so paid lip service to the church so he could benefit by association with it. As for the Teutonic stuff, again it wasn't a keenly felt belief at all, but rather representative of the idealised German state he wished to create and which was therefore expolited for propaganda purposes. As for the paganism and other kooky beliefs of other Nazis, these were never really popular on a wide scale with the wider party and more often than not the indulgencies of the few. |
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KGB part is correct but they werent atheists, they allways have been protestants, from the beginning of the nation, thats why their churches are so unusual, plus the fact that christianism isnt very common and popular in russia even now.the protestant tradition last in russian homes till today - no matter what books are saying. and of course, communist didnt wanted to admit that they believe in any form of superpower greater than ZSRR itself, so probably thats the thing with this "official atheists". when the comusm come started in here, in Poland, official gov. said that religion is for the weakest - but it was never forbidden to got o church- yes, you could have been invigilated for that, but never forbindden. the point is that communism has very weak foundations, once it start to shake, it will collapse soon. religion is very strong, and i dare say, tho im not a religious person, that religion, especially christian one, helped with the destroying of the communism - at least in my country. |
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Also, elusive pays your food! (or not...) |
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ah yes, i forgot since i havent eat anything today yet. |
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Which gives rise to a question. If you had to choose, would you rather live in a communist state or a theocracy? I would choose the communist state. |
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ive had this one for 50 years. and ive had the real tough part of it. people missing, invigilations, empty shops, propaganda, lack of world news, thats why everything is so delayed here. no way i would choose it again.no way. |
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but did you really experience any of that? we had communism/socialism as well, but it wasn't all that bad really...im sure it was tough after the ww2, but in the 80's it wasn't all that abd. we could get stuff...it's just that we had to get it illegaly :) i was never missing anything. the only trouble was that people must have not voiced their opinion, or they were sent to prisons. |
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dunno how it looked in your region, its not so close, we, due to fact of russian border, have suffered greatly. for example - when i was young, the only time in year when i could see oranges - was christmas. and i was happy that i could eat them, the same with chocolate and other various things. people were poor, plus there was no things in shop. can you imagine yourself happy that you can eat oranges once in a year ? well i remember that. i will never forget this. it all ended in 90's. thanks to god, mohamet, whoever did this. communism ? no thank you. |
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all the daley we suffer now from is caused by communism. communism is guilty for the fact that average polish wedge is..on the level of 250 pounds monthly. |
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hmm, that must have sucked..we could go to italy or austria any time we wanted (it's a good half an hour drive), and it wasn't that strict so we could import basically everything.. ofcourse sometimes we had to bribe the customs, but it was all good :) i guess we had a nice kind of communism, although i would have hated it now. because of the propaganda mostly and censorship. but appart from that it was alrigh. we could travel anywhere we wanted. i guess yugoslavia must have been one of the more opened communist countries.. |
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yeah, definitely...same here..we're still paying of debts we made in the communist era.. |
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You'd rather live under the authority of men then of God? By my count. Man's track record isn't too great. |
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