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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2004-11-03 13:55 [#01381665]
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Myself and a good number of Americans had a morsel of faith that Bush would be ejected from office today, but he was not.
I plead to all of you from other countries; we tried. We know what you think about him. We feel the same way, and because he represents us globally we want him gone more than you do.
You cannot hold it against all of America for Bush's re-election. Our country is pretty much divided halfway. We tried to get him out of there but we couldn't. We tried for us, we tried for you, and we failed. The only light shun: the success of an organized democratic process. It's good that it works.
Please be patient through these next 4 years. Bush will do alot of stupid things. He will make many bad choices that may affect you. He will make many more that will affect us. Please just be patient. We will try our best through protesting, making ourselves heard, and voicing. You should do this too.
Just today Bush said; "To all of those who voted for my opponent, I will do everything to regain your trust." And that is just simply impossible. For him to regain our trust he would have to resign from office. I will be 24 (I am 19 now) when Bush's second term has ended. I formally ask for your patience, your tolerance, and your help. We tried to get him out but we did not try hard enough. Please do not invest your dislikes in all of America. Blame the republican party, blame the republican figure-heads that our media portrays and glorifies, and blame the apathetic, idiotic, spoiled youth who simply do not care one way or another. None of these people know what they are doing. Alot of them are good people, but they are all mislead. Do not throw the blanket over all of America - in doing that you end up blaming your own colleagues and friends.
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Cheffe1979
from fuck (Austria) on 2004-11-03 14:00 [#01381671]
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yeah i know. it's hard though. i'd so much want them being taught a lesson, they should themselves feel the violence they spread via israel and in iraq. it's easy to hate a country but it doesnt really make much sense.
bah whatever.
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2004-11-03 14:02 [#01381674]
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happy cycling
from berlin on 2004-11-03 14:03 [#01381675]
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what violence are they spreading via israel, exactly?
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Iroel
from Pisa (Italy) on 2004-11-03 14:07 [#01381680]
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http://www.palestinemonitor.org/new_web/home.htm
maybe it's propaganda maybe it is not...
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-11-03 14:08 [#01381682]
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If he proposes a draft i am the fuck out of here.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-11-03 14:09 [#01381684]
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Aphex Twin
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2004-11-03 14:10 [#01381688]
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There inlies the error; "they themselves should feel the violence they spread via israel and in iraq."
Hundreds of thousands of Americans do not support any of that violence. They do not support the war in Iraq. They do not support the U.S. supported Israeli tyrrany over palestine. They do not think that "a safe Iraq will help secure Israel"
Etc.
There are people who feel as you do, and stronger, living on these shores. It would be in everybody's interest to support them. We are your voice here.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2004-11-03 14:13 [#01381693]
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For your own safety, you should refrain from posting statements like that on public forums.
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uzim
on 2004-11-03 14:16 [#01381701]
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i feel more surprised and sorry for the USA inhabitants who voted Kerry than anything else... ' _'
now of course USA gets a badder image with this result, it's normal. but of course you can't blame all USA inhabitants for this individually, it would be stupid. just don't confuse the country/masses and the individuals...
the latest elections in France were quite terrible too (even though not as grievous - we didn't get war nor anything like that, thanksfully!!) - now i have a bad image of the french population in general, but i don't feel guilty. i couldn't do anything, i didn't have the age to vote. there is no reason for me to be guilty.
but it's frustrating to know that you're powerless, that the only thing you can do is nothing but a drop in the ocean.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2004-11-03 14:25 [#01381716]
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That is an error. We are not powerless. One individual can make a drastic amont of change, many individuals can multiply that force and apply it in circumstances and alter outcomes very effectively. One only needs to look at history and see the outcomes of circumstances that one man has altered all by himself.
One also only needs to observe how one small, insignificant, typical pebble dropped into a pond - will cause a ripple throughout the entire pond, altering the status of the pond all by itself - and creating a wavelength of motion relative to itself.
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yann_g
from now on 2004-11-03 14:26 [#01381721]
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you clever people of america have all my respect and i'll dedicate you an album when i'm famous!
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yann_g
from now on 2004-11-03 14:29 [#01381728]
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i feel more surprised and sorry for the USA inhabitants who
voted Kerry than anything else... ' _'
now of course USA gets a badder image with this result, it's
normal. but of course you can't blame all USA inhabitants for this individually, it would be stupid. just don't confuse the country/masses and the individuals...
the latest elections in France were quite terrible too (even
though not as grievous - we didn't get war nor anything like
that, thanksfully!!) - now i have a bad image of the french
population in general, but i don't feel guilty. i couldn't do anything, i didn't have the age to vote. there is no reason for me to be guilty.
but it's frustrating to know that you're powerless, that the
only thing you can do is nothing but a drop in the ocean.
i had to vote for that sonofabitch chirac! worst vote ever, but had no real choice.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2004-11-03 14:34 [#01381738]
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In a democratic system, the only people who truly act as memebers of that democracy are the ones that vote. The rest allow their government to be thrown upon them. Unfortunately, as social creatures, the social group that is america has spoken, and that social group seems to like bush.
Eventually, all systems evolve into entrophy. Personally, I believe this is a system wherein change must replace static, and bush seems to be just the right catalyst to throw the united states from a comfortable seat with cnn on the tube, to a place where chaos and change is absolute and unrepentant.
Such is the nature of existance, I can only believe this as being a good thing. Although, bush is a scary psychopath that should be eating with a cork on his fork.
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uzim
on 2004-11-03 14:37 [#01381743]
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one individual making a drastic amount of change is an exceptional case really... and even people who "rippled the pond" a lot, like Michael Moore, couldn't prevent Bush from being re-elected.
we aren't all and totally powerless, but... *shrugs* i'm tempted to say, almost.
even if we do have a 0.000001% chance to change the world doesn't mean we will catch it.
we can do what we can, we must do what we can, but we shouldn't hope for too much.
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corrupted-girl
on 2004-11-03 17:48 [#01382040]
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okay.
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