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or is it just funny coincidences :) |
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no life is completely random |
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the universe is completely deterministic. Sorry fuckers. Pardon me while I determine which nucleii are going to decay over here.. |
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i sometimes start to wonder that, like a domino effect that effects everyone and everything around it in a complex invinsible chain. like that theory about if a butterfly flaps its wind in the air it manages to create a tornado on the other side of the world. that doesn't mean i believe in that exact predicament but that idea how such a very insignificant change grows and becomes a catastrophic effect somewhere else. |
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yes, i believe in causation. that an effect must be the result of causes, and that those causes must also be subject to causation. |
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everything happens for a reason, except for the universe, which happened totally at random for no reason at all. life is meaningless, kill yourself. |
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causality |
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so your only into classical physics i see |
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can you read? I mentioned seemingly random radioactive decay. it was all a joke. |
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ta |
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that was the most stupid thing to say i believe in a.. force behind randomness. controlled randomness one might say. it must be utter bollocks, im sure ill grow over it. |
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bah. goodnight |
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everything except this thread |
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everything has a reason, of course. randomness doesn't exist. when you throw a dice, the face you'll see in the end depends on the speed, rotation, weight etc. of the dice and the bouciness and other caracteristics of the surface. same for everything. because we can't control/understand doesn't mean it's random. |
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i meant 'side' not 'face' ('face' is the french for 'side') |
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approved. |
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did every reaction have an equal and opposite action??!! |
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of course, thats one of the fundamental universe laws. |
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ian malcolm, chaos mathematicionzzz, steppin up, gonna rock the fractal bizznizzz |
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ha! |
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that is almost exactly what it means. random means that the outcome is governed by chance, not so much purpose. if we could control all elements and thereby, to keep to your example, the outcome of the throw of a die, we would no longer call the outcome random. as of yet, we can't control the elements and outcome, the system is too complex, that's what we call random. |
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we do need our little explanations don't we, yet we haven't a fucking clue. |
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absolutely none at all!! :D |
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we are not alone though, plenty of others to kill. :) |
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randomness and determinism are just part of a more general thing.. that has no name yet but i'm gonna name as TEYCH. TEYCH is the reason evrything hapopens for.. teych makes our coincience help us break away from determinism, with aide of uncertainty. teych makes sense and teych is the universe we live in |
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rofl, I love posts like that... :P |
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what if there's an infinite amount of elements to control in order to eliminate chance? what if this infinite is non-numerable. let's now invoque the axiom of choice. an event E is afectet by a set S of other events wich we control. we know how each event afects E, so if S is finite E is determined by S (so if we know S and S is finite we know the outcome of E). but if S is infinite we can't control (or measure) all the event's in S, so it's impossible to predict the outcome. now what if S is infinite and non-numerable.. the problem get's more complicated. now supose we can atleast ubicate the elements s of S in some range. then the outcome of the event E can only be described in terms of probability. we can only know and control a finite amount of events in S that will afect E. |
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in conclusion there are systems that are so complex that we can call without doubt not determined. |
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