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What is, in your view, the most technically advanced and downright complex track you know? Obviously this manifests itself in different ways, but I am curious to hear some opinions because there is a parallel thread to this at TranceAddict and I *know* I'm missing out a lot of the IDM/Braindance and the like possibilities. Hence why I have decided to ask. Qualifications are inevitably subjective but can include such accomplishments as time-consuming micro-editing and mini-sequencing, or acute usage of microtonal scaling or DSP automation. Obviously tracks from the big names can come to mind, but if there's something more obscure that you'd like to dig up which is hyper-insane in its complexity, feel free to do this too. An artist name, track name, and an explanation will do. Thank you graciously and personal bias is fine. So, what's your most complex track? :D |
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the 9th symphony. |
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Beethoven??? Why have you chosen this particular selection? And as for electronic works, what would you pick? :) |
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and that's your 2000th post. how embarrassing. |
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YOU ARE OFF BY AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE |
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I'm always on, sugar. |
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Congratulations, optimus prime, on your Y2K posts. Now, back on! Please. :P |
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if you want to confine this to electronic music, probably something off lp5 or drukqs, or maybe something by xanopticon or something. define 'complex'. |
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flick your willy wick - bill fizzwick |
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Yah I can't define complex KainiIndustries, it's up to YOU :) Personal bias is appreciated -- just please explain why you consider it to be complex. |
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Oh, you meant Optimus Prime, not Torley. I have shamed myself before the tribe. |
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Yeah mine's a figure off. x10 and I'll be there. No problemo. |
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you imbecile! |
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complex - using stupid noises and sounds for the sake of looking cool, as in "the music of autechre is complex" |
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the most complex song must take a whole book to write it down. |
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supreme: As in, a whole book of code? LOL earthleakage, over here they call stupid noises and sounds . . . "DSP wankery". |
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complaining about autechre - being too dumb to actually understand any music above the level of Steps and therefore complaining about music that does evolve beyond that point. for example: "Pete is complaining about autechre again, but well - he IS as thick as pig-shit, you know." |
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's bit harsh on them no? |
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simply the song title would do in this case. |
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AHHH! There we go, qrter, now we're getting the personal bias I value into here. So, who's your nod for? I'm serious folks. If you have an opinion that counts for complexity, weigh it here. Whether it be Squarepusher's "Tetra-Sync" (my personal fave) or Aphex's "54 Cymru Beats" or any of the Autechre tracks whose names I cannot pronounce, much less spell... kidding on that last tip. :) |
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slagging off autechre is so much fun, it brings out all the anally retentiveness really touchy about such god awful pretentious bollocks that no other slagging off of anyone else can do, usually followed by several comments of "you don't understand" coupled with fierce putdowns and general personal attacks. |
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tubular bells is arguably the finest conglomeration of off-centered instruments concerted together to form a single unique piece. A variety of instruments are combined to create an excitable multitude of rhythms, tones, pitches, and harmonies that all fuse neatly into each other, resulting in an astounding plethora of music |
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Its obscure The Artist Is called the: second layer :their album is caled - World of Rubber. It is from the 80:s download if you can find |
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it's all relative at the end of the day. though some folks do get defensive regarding some of their faves i agree. how can you say someone's taste is wrong? (yes, if they like autechre probably...) :) |
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then ofcourse followed by responses by the supposedly aloof off-slaggers saying how it all was meant to wind up people in the first place, thereby pretty much proving that this aloofness was just a pretty transparent ruse to scratch away some of the boredom in their empty lives and thereby proving that they're pretty sad anyway to need that. that point proven even more strongly by their devotion to the vapid work of Mike Oldfield, a man known for single-handedly trying to murder all music by his scary keyboard-meanderings! |
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oh dear hobbes.. you seem to be taking the internet seriously again!! |
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i know.... you should see me i'm a wreck. |
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get yourself a nice cold beverage. you deserve it. |
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TranceAddict? are you serious? |
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*raises bottle of beer* cheers you ol' slag! |
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Sure it's personal. I appreciate personal truths and hearing from other people's perspectives. I like to learn this way. Which is why I treasure bias. OYE on the Tubular Bells tip... thanks for reminding me of that masterpiece, earthleakage. ESPECIALLY THE CAVEMAN SECTION!!! ;) Onwards ho... |
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nah for real that 'piltdown man' section fucking rocks. |
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I agree, KainiIndustries. I'm serious. Is that Mike Oldfield growling? The melodies are wikkid. One thing I seriously love and admire about Tubular Bells is like how all those diverse styles of music are melded into one beautiful, harmonious tapestry. I like Tubular Bells II for its "alternate reality" take on all the themes, and I've heard the Symphonic and latest update recreation too. I don't care too much for Oldfield's own trancey remix of the Bells theme on TB3 however... come to think of it, TB3 was kinda like TB303. LOL. |
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I find 'Cap. iv' by Autechre to be insanely complex in structure, maybe too complex for its own good. I still like it regardless. earthleakage: I apologise for mentioning Autechre. |
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This was, and is I suppose, perhaps the main criterion by which I judged music's (and other art) aesthetic value, too. I've spent a long time searching for such things then so here are the albums that are most extreme in this nature: otto von schirach : 8000 bc (+ other albums) autechre: lp5 (+ other albums) crunch: 1 richard devine: lipswitch michael fakesch: marion (especially 2nd to last track) phluidbox: various rare tracks like event cube danny (previously mp3.com/dannn): various schematicish tracks chulk: album "pre-". Hard to find. He was or is on tefosav. You might want to hear music I made such as "telefon tel teleshmix 2" at soundclick.com (under name "w M w"... or "wmw" I forget.) |
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rachmaninoff out of the top of my head has probably made one of the most complex music i've ever heard and thats simply because he's one of the few classical artists i really listen to and know. then theres my brothers insanely large collection of classical music. some songs there span about 16 min's long and it really doesn't have any actul attainable theoretical structure. so that i feel in itself is complex. you have to have a good ear for it and understand its ecnompassing beauty. i've heard some orchestrated music in the radio by usually countries like sweden, denmark, finland, holland, belgium, germany, etc... that have made such beautiful music and i never bother to write down who its from because i'm usually on the road driving and i can't stop what i'm doing. if its complexity you want i'd definitely go with european classical music. excuse my writing i was typing fast! :) |
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beck - satan gave me a taco |
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first :lagging off autechre is so much fun, it brings out all the anally retentiveness really touchy about such god awful pretentious bollocks that no other slagging off of anyone else can do, usually followed by several comments of "you don't understand" coupled with fierce putdowns and general personal attacks.: - fucking ridiculous. you can get attention in better, more productive ways than making fun of other people's music. if you know that people really take this music seriously then why slag off on it. thats downright peurile. most complex piece of music?> Nuages gris by franz liszt. |
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I'm fairly sure that's puerile |
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Venetian Snares |
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Cheeky girls-touch my bum. Kills my brain cells. |
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the one I'm planning right now.. it has two different lyrics at the same time, and the melody will consist of nothing but recordings of my stomachs sounds and static electricity being released in a vacuum. |
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Thank you! Thank you :) |
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Ravel<--Bolero |
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autechre makes me feel stoopid |
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popcorn |
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well, complexity is a hard term to really unilaterally define in electronic music... it depends on how you look at it. that said, i'll go with autechre's draft 7.30... i dont know any specific track names other than suppiere(sp?), but that album is wonderfully technical and complex. autechre has beaten you: its damn near impossible to pick out every single sound and trace it to its origin. the beats are on some other ish, and htey cant be arsed to align in a static pattern: fully dynamic. so i cant say that i especially like it a whole ton, but i will give autechre props for making a very complex/technical LP in draft 7.30 by giving it some love in this thread. |
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forget complexity the key is and has always been in SIMPLICITY |
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autechre: cap.iV. and, with no doubt the most complex piece of music ever created: the art of the fugue by j.s. bach. everyone who ever got in touch with this monstrous musical vision (and its concept) will agree instantly. |
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richard devine - aleamapper, lipswitch autechre - confield actually i find confield more complex than draft, maybe 'cause it's one of my all-time favs and i've been listening to it so many times. and draft imo is more about randomness than complexity |
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