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offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-07-30 08:00 [#01290390]
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Although not an owner of an mp3-player i've always been a
fan of them. My favourite, until now, had been the Rio
Karma, which boosted many nice features that the iPod didn't
have; better sound quality, 15 hours of battery time against
iPod's 8, playlist features, and many other minor things.

My friend is in the USA at the moment and I wanted him to
buy me a Rio Karma. But just before I told him I was sure I
wanted one, Apple releases the 4. generation iPods...

...And now I'm 100% percent sure what to get.

They've upgraded the battery time from 8 to 12, you can now
make playlists with out a cpu, some shuffle features and the
option to slow down or speed up audiobooks.

Just letting people know in case someone wasn't aware of the
new iPod and wondering if anyone has got one or is planning
on getting one. The 20gb version costs 299$ and the 40gb
version 399$.

Atli





 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-30 08:03 [#01290397]
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i've heard they made the battery even more impossible to
replace. that's a big turnoff for me.

i totally dig the way they look and function, but i'm
worried that the battery will quit holding a charge after a
year or two... which wouldn't be a problem for most other
mp3 players, you'd just get a new battery.

why did apple decide to make it so fucking difficult?


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2004-07-30 08:07 [#01290405]
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In most cases you'd be able to get a new battery for about
$40. What's the deal with the iPod's battery then?


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-07-30 08:10 [#01290408]
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i've heard that this time it's almost inseperable from the
scrollwheel, meaning, you can't replace it.

sorry, i don't have a link so this could be complete bs.
but, i heard some people talking about it on another forum.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-30 08:13 [#01290416]
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i ordered mine the week it was released, in my opinion the
4th gen ipod is pretty much perfect. The click wheel is the
best UI in any mp3 player and battery life is excelent now,
software is faster, plus it looks like a work of art :)

I'm guessing the battery will be replacable, i can't imagine
apple making them so they aren't after the complaints they
had with older ones. It might be more difficult but i'm
betting it will be possible. Besides the batteries last 3
years at least, i've got a 2nd gen ipod that has lasted a
long time without the battery dying on me.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-30 08:15 [#01290420]
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"heard that this time it's almost inseperable from the
scrollwheel, meaning, you can't replace it."

well if thats true, then why couldn't the scroll wheel and
battery be replace at the same time? I just think some
people are a little too paranoid because of problems before
with ipods, not that i've ever had a problem.


 

offline eXXailon from purgatory on 2004-07-30 08:19 [#01290426]
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Got to admit that $299 for 20GB is very doable, but I'd want
to know if there's any catch before I'd actually buy one.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-30 08:22 [#01290430]
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the only catch is that you don't get the dock, case or
remote. All of which are pretty much a wasted of space
anyway. Well, apart from the dock which looks nice.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-30 08:25 [#01290433]
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i'll give you a review of mine when i finally get it, some
time next week. I've ordered the 40GB as my current 20GB is
full.


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-07-31 08:06 [#01291285]
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i'm getting one the 3rd of august so i'm looking forward to
it. i really doubt that there will be much problem with the
battery.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 08:32 [#01291296]
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what bitrate do you import your music as? I'm thinking of
importing mine as 224kbps.


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 08:55 [#01291315]
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I'm in desperate need of an iPod although I have no money.
I've got almost 50GB of AAC's and mp3's (almost 2/3 of that
I bought on CD) so I wouldn't mind getting a 60GB model but
Apple say there aren't even plans to make one!

Anyone think it's anything to do with a drunk executive from
Toshiba (was it them? can't remember) telling someone that
they'd signed a contract with Apple (who seem to be the most
secret company out there) to sell them a load of 60GB small
harddrives?

4 years ago when ATI said that they were "supplying Apple
with graphics cards for THREE of their desktop models" Apple
decided not to include their graphics cards for a while.
[At the time there were only PowerMacs and iMacs, the THIRD
one being the at-the-time unannounced and unheard of Cube,
which of course is now dead, r.i.p.]


 

offline child810 from boston (United States) on 2004-07-31 09:14 [#01291322]
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I think in about a year they'll have a 60Gb iPod. The
average person really doesn't need that space but if Apple
were to include some sort of Video or photograph ability to
the iPod they could justify the size.

Also there are some rumors that there are features in the
new 4g iPods that have not been "activated".

I'm interested to see what the new iMacs are all about. I
have a feeling they'll have some nicenew technology that
fits in with the iPod.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2004-07-31 09:21 [#01291323]
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It is typical of apple that you cannot replace it yourself.
I saw a TV program the other night, (which was fairly awful
in its testing of mac vs pc), but when they were both
dropped from a great height, the pc motherboard could be
replaced with a bought one for £65.
The mac motherboard could not be purchased and had to be
sent to a service centre for £400.

-->Apple policy is not to sell parts to end users. Bear that
in mind when your Ipod battery stops retaining a usefull
charge.


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-07-31 09:25 [#01291325]
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i think i will settle with 192kbps but 224kbps sounds nice
too.


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 09:29 [#01291326]
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AAC 128kbps sounds fine to me ... and I'm picky.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 09:31 [#01291328]
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liisten to the original cd and then listen to 128 kbps, if
you have decent earphones there is a clear difference.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 09:34 [#01291331]
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there is an ipod battery replacement programme and I think
the same will happen for the new ipods. its no big deal, no
rechargable battery lasts forever.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 09:36 [#01291332]
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well most of my ripped cd's are 192 kbps but i'm going to
ripp my favourite albums and ones with a lot of layers in a
higher bit rate (yeah, i'm picky). I've got 40GB space in my
ipod so all my music should fit easily.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2004-07-31 09:41 [#01291337]
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no but from what I have heard is that on other brands it is
a standard format battery, which is easy to put in/take
out.
I have been told that ipods are difficult to get the battery
out of. That the batterys are held in with soldered
connections deep inside. Now that wouldnt be a problem for
me to open it up, but joe public or whatever kicks up a
fuss.
N.B. this is what I have heard from various people. I'm not
up on mp3 players.I dont really care for mp3 players. I have
never owned ANY portable music things other than a
transistor radio. I prefer vinyl records, and listening to
the world when im out and about.


 

offline patrik from Keele (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 09:45 [#01291342]
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That's it. I've got 50GB of 128kbps AACs (not mp3's, there's
a big difference between 128 mp3 and 128 aac) so if I encode
it higher my iBook won't take anymore.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 09:49 [#01291351]
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ah, ok. AAC is definately better than mp3 at the same bit
rate.


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-07-31 09:56 [#01291356]
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i have no experience with AAC files so i don't know how good
they are or how big.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-31 10:08 [#01291363]
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smaller file size and better quality than mp3's


 

offline Atli from Reykjavík (Iceland) on 2004-07-31 10:24 [#01291370]
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nice indeed


 


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