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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 16:53 [#01269503]
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Is alcohol cultural or natural? What I mean is, did people invent alcohol, or was it already part of human's habits?
E.g. some birds (and other creatures) get drunk or high on certain plants/berries/etc and get frisky together.
And alcohol exists naturally... so... what do you think? I mean nobody can possibly know, but what do you think?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-07-07 16:55 [#01269505]
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a) cultural
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-07 16:59 [#01269511]
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juniper berries contain alcohol naturally, if I remember correctly from school..
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-07 17:00 [#01269513]
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it probably started naturally and then us having brains 'n stuff we made a billion-dollar industry out of it, including nasty diseases and hefty addictions!
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:01 [#01269514]
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aha... well many berries do when they ferment (am I expressing myself correctly now?)
but I didn't know that about the juniper ones.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:01 [#01269517]
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hah yeah, e.g. vodka isn't that natural... but one can get certain wines that contain nothing (almost) but fruit, so one can get "natural" alcohol.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-07 17:03 [#01269518]
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I could very well be very wrong, you know.
with all the drink etc.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:05 [#01269526]
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I think you're right, I actually think I remember hearing something like that myself...
I know that's the case with other berries anyway, such as rowanberry. Birds eat them, and then fly like alcoholic pilots trying to manouver a plane.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-07 17:06 [#01269529]
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Alcohol is my friend, and yours, I hope.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-07-07 17:08 [#01269533]
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It started back in the medieval times when people needed to purify water as it was too dirty to drink. They didn't think of boiling it for some reason but some how they came up with beer. After centuries of beer drinking and the gradual growth of world population, alcohol has become ingrained in us, so we're immune to the effects of alcohol to a certain extent. Where as in more eastern countries they did not drink beer all that time ago and thus get drunk faster or react badly to alcahol. So I think alcahol is a bit of both, a bit cultural and a bit natural.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-07 17:08 [#01269534]
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yesSIR!!!!
did you see the cake I made for you in the pixies thread? I hope Saul didn't eat destroy it already..
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:10 [#01269538]
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but before that, there was wine... I mean even Jesus and his gang of pals and prophets used to drink wine.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-07 17:13 [#01269539]
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yeah and Jesus could even make wine from water!
as could anyone really with the right tools and a lot of grapes. and water.
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cie jiks mawp
from motion to descend (Australia) on 2004-07-07 17:13 [#01269540]
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alcohol leads me home now its the time to moan
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:15 [#01269544]
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a wise man told me today
"let the drink become you"
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-07-07 17:18 [#01269546]
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let's drink on the wise man! skol!
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k_maty
on 2004-07-07 17:28 [#01269561]
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are you worried about alcohol fitting into a rawfoodist diet or something?
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2004-07-07 17:29 [#01269562]
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worst fucking drug..... other than hammer...
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:30 [#01269563]
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no... it already does (there is raw alcohol, in such wines as I mentioned, and since it exists in nature)...
I was just thinking about the topic... cause without alcohol, I wonder what the world would look like.
I'm not sure if alcohol does more good or more bad to people, but I enjoy it.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:31 [#01269564]
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I mean, alcohol is obviously not good for people's health. But with today's society and everything, lots of people meet in a drunken state, it helps people relax and so on.
It's fun.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:31 [#01269566]
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I mean, alcohol is obviously not good for people's health.
actually, I'm not sure -how- bad it is, but drinking too much of it - I know that isn't good.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-07-07 17:33 [#01269568]
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I make more friends at parties when drunk, so it can't be a bad thing.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2004-07-07 17:35 [#01269571]
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i've had to punch out more drunk people at parties than any other type of people, so it can't be a good thing...
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:35 [#01269572]
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punch people? wtf?
are you a bouncer?
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2004-07-07 17:37 [#01269573]
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nope......... just won't put up with drunk fuck-wits...
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-07-07 17:38 [#01269575]
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well i guess i go to different types of parties. This is one of those things which is completely different for all people. On one hand I hate alcahol for certain family/past/personal reasons but on the other hand I enjoy drinking alcahol and getting drunk. I have never go violent or seen too many people get violent. I may express my feelings more openly when 'under the influence' but have never actually taken any action.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2004-07-07 17:42 [#01269576]
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i'm not having a go at you Raz0rBlade_uk, just saying that alcohol has been the cause of more viloence in my life, and in the lives of many people I know, than anything else...... not to mention death, disease (take a look at an alcoholic after 20 years on the bottle) and misery.... it just seems to be taken really lightly by people... i was just trying to balance things out...
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-07-07 17:45 [#01269577]
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well any kind of addiction turns me off. Though using alcohol is nice, I think (perhaps cause I can control it - I wouldn't like it as much if I'd have problems with it).
I'm very close to what razorblade just said in his post.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2004-07-07 17:47 [#01269579]
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i'm not talking about you as individuals, i'm talking about the wider social effects of alcohol..... think about it's impact across society... if anyone today wanted to market a drug that had the effects that alcohol does they wouldn't be able to... why is that?
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2004-07-07 17:48 [#01269583]
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I couldn't agree with you more, darkpromenade. Although I do think that if alcohol is treated properly, i.e. Drinking in excess then half the shitty stuff that happens, wouldn't happen, or maybe all of it. Give 'man' and inch and he'll take a mile.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2004-07-07 17:49 [#01269584]
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for sure bro, anything and everything in moderation, I say ;)
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