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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:18 [#01263343]
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Ok, sorry to any dutch people here, this does not include you... well, except for one...
actually, the dutch people here can probably answer some questions... why is it that whenever I see a dutch person somewhere, they always act like they think I'm going to kill them or something? Why is it that people suddenly become super rude to me if I ask them if they can speak english? SORRY, BUT I FUCKING CAN'T SPEAK DUTCH!!! WHY WOULD I EVEN ATTEMPT TO LEARN IT, AS A MINISCULE POPULATION IN THE WORLD SPEAK IT!!!!
so yeah, I've lived in Holland for 5 months of my life, with only one more to go (thank goodness) and my opinion is that Dutch people are super rude... I can't wait to get back to Canada where people are actually civil to each other!
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-07-02 09:22 [#01263348]
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Perhaps it's your face that scares them?
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:23 [#01263351]
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why would my face scare them? I'm usually pretty happy...
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-07-02 09:24 [#01263352]
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but you look like pierluigi colina
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:25 [#01263353]
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that's the soccer ref right? Damn man, that hurt! He does look scary! :)
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:27 [#01263355]
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I apologize for this I guess... it has been a stressful day for me, and I'm in a bad mood... but I do get the feeling that Dutch people are really rude...
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xf
from Australia on 2004-07-02 09:29 [#01263356]
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my gf's dutch, she says that yeah, attitudes are completely different in holland. there's a lot of prejudgement based on one's status (money, position, power, etc), and people can come across quite rudely.
never been there myself so no bloody clue personally.
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big
from lsg on 2004-07-02 09:30 [#01263357]
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WHY WOULD I EVEN ATTEMPT TO LEARN IT, AS A MINISCULE POPULATION IN THE WORLD SPEAK IT!!!!
well there's a reason: we dont like that also it's that people just assume you speak english, like in france they dont like that either
i though it was the other way around though. like we're all so proud we speak english very good we like to do that. but that's changed apparantly then.
we are rude though
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:34 [#01263358]
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well, for a while I was interested to learn Dutch... I was here before christmas, and for the semester after christmas I wanted to take a course... they didn't offer it of course, cause why would they really in Canada, Newfoundland especially... so I took German, the main reason of which was because I had been told it was close to Dutch... but why would I want to learn the language, if the people are going to be rude to me and treat me like shit... seems pretty stupid to me...
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xf
from Australia on 2004-07-02 09:34 [#01263360]
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it is close to dutch, but that's a bad thing - you end up confused as all fuck :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 09:35 [#01263361]
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WHY WOULD I EVEN ATTEMPT TO LEARN IT, AS A MINISCULE POPULATION IN THE WORLD SPEAK IT!!!!
yeah, that doesn't exactly win you points. if that's your attitude why the fuck should we care about being rude to you?
no, but seriously - this suprises me a bit. I have never seen this reaction to people who ask this question - and I get asked it myself (as I work in a bookstore).
I think it's pretty normal and indeed civil of you to ask whether other people speak your language - it sucks if people can't react normal to that.
in my personal experience it's mostly Germans and especially the French that do NOT ask whether you speak their language but just start prattling on in their language. which is ofcourse very rude.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:37 [#01263363]
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well, that's my attitude now because I feel everyone here treats me like shit... shrug, I don't know, I've been told it's a completely different culture from Canada, and it is... so maybe my idea of someone being rude really isn't... but still, it just has been rubbing me the wrong way for the last little while, and with this day turning to shit I just had to get it out of my system!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 09:39 [#01263364]
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people might accidentally think you're American. that could explain a lot. :P
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-07-02 09:40 [#01263365]
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what do you expect starting such a pre-conceived knobhead generalisation like that
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big
from lsg on 2004-07-02 09:41 [#01263366]
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well i hardly see a reason why you should learn to speak dutch really, it doesnt help you later on
and if you just ask people wether they can talk to you in english i dont see why they're not nice really
around here i get spoken to alot in english and i dont mind but my english is superdupagood of course
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Mertens
from Motor City (United States) on 2004-07-02 09:41 [#01263367]
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Hey, at least they acknowledge your existance. Here, people don't even look you in the eye. You're either invisible or a threat. I can be right behind someone who's walking though a door and they never hold it open!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:41 [#01263369]
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I've even been cheering and really getting excited about the Holland run in the European Championships... I've been making an effort to really enjoy this trip over here, and to see the sights and experience the culture a little... so it's not like I'm a stubborn Canadian who expects everyone to cater to my culture... not at all!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:42 [#01263372]
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I've actually considered that... I do have one instance where this guys attitude seem to totally change towards me after I had told him I was Canadian... :P
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:44 [#01263373]
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fair enough... I'll switch to:
the majority of the people I've encountered in Holland have seemed rude to me...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 09:45 [#01263374]
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it could be something personal - nothing to do with your language, more with you... :D :D :D
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:46 [#01263377]
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how could someone not love me though?!?!? :O:O:O
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-07-02 09:46 [#01263378]
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Maybe you smell really bad.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:48 [#01263380]
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but I shower at least once a week... and I brush my teeth at least twice a week... so it can't be that!
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-07-02 09:48 [#01263381]
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its probably that cheap aftershave you got off the market. perhaps you hum like a tarts window box.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:49 [#01263384]
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I know it'd be pointless for me to learn the language, but I would've done it just out of personal interest...
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Mertens
from Motor City (United States) on 2004-07-02 09:49 [#01263385]
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What are you expecting?
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big
from lsg on 2004-07-02 09:52 [#01263387]
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but was it better in the 'city' area of zoetermeer than in 'rural' area nijmegen?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 09:53 [#01263388]
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oh, that's it then.
we don't like Canadians who smell like a cheap prostitute out on a girl's night.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:54 [#01263389]
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yeah...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 09:55 [#01263391]
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Zoetermeer is one of the most awful places in our country.
I'm totally serious about this. a friend of mine used to live there and we would go there (his parents were out a lot of the time) - it would depress the hell out of us within minutes of leaving the trainstation.
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big
from lsg on 2004-07-02 09:57 [#01263398]
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yes, but the point is it's city people
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-07-02 09:57 [#01263399]
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heh, yeah it's not a real nice looking city... Arnhem is a beautiful city though...
maybe it's just me here... God knows Canada and Holland are very different... so I'm probably just used to different things, and interpret things differently...
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KainiIndustries
from over the roof floats billy on 2004-07-02 10:05 [#01263407]
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Zandvoort is pretty damn depressing.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-07-02 10:07 [#01263410]
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i have totally no clue what you are on about
do you live in de bijlmer or something?
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RedSky
from Chicago (United States) on 2004-07-02 10:07 [#01263411]
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I lived in the Netherlands for a few months.
The Dutch can be blunt, and sometimes quite culturally insensitive.
But they are also very hospitable, and as far as I could tell quite principled.
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big
from lsg on 2004-07-02 10:07 [#01263412]
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it's just stupid farmers being insecure about their lack of education
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-07-02 10:07 [#01263414]
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Ok, sorry to any dutch people here, this does not include you... well, except for one...
WAS THAT A REFERENCE TO ME?? I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING BOY! YOU ARE GONNA KILL ME WHEN I TURN MY BACK ON YOU!!!
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Atli
from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2004-07-02 10:09 [#01263417]
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never heard that dutch people are more rude than other people of europe. around here nobody would expect you to talk icelandic and everybody would try and talk english.
but i doubt that EVERYONE you've met have been rude to you. i guess it has more to do with your attitude. a thing that is considered rude in canada isn't necessarily rude in holland.
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big
from lsg on 2004-07-02 10:10 [#01263421]
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obviously it's hard to speak about the whole population of a country, even if it's small holland
ive never heard we're hospital (??) these days all morals lack, imo
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-07-02 10:13 [#01263428]
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you think dutch people are rude, try england
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 10:16 [#01263431]
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these days all morals lack, imo
pfff.. PLEASE.. go and sit with your christian brethren..!
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-07-02 10:17 [#01263434]
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you think dutch people are rude, try england
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-07-02 10:17 [#01263435]
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how did that happen
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zetre
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-07-02 10:18 [#01263437]
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The Funkmaster: What are the main differences you've met between dutch and canadian culture? I've always imagined Canada (haven't been, really wanna go tho) being quite close to western Europe culturally, sort of like a mix between the U.S and Scandinavia..McSocial Democracy..
Met a bunch of Cannucks while living in Barcelona, they all seemed to like it quite a lot there and they were cool people too..
Eh, Rotterdam isn't Barcelona tho..
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 10:18 [#01263438]
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maybe you should stop using Mozilla, dobbin.
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big
from lsg on 2004-07-02 10:19 [#01263440]
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burn in hell
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Anus_Presley
on 2004-07-02 10:52 [#01263483]
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BUT I FUCKING CAN'T SPEAK DUTCH!!! WHY WOULD I EVEN ATTEMPT TO LEARN IT
You live therre.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-07-02 11:17 [#01263516]
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shit.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-07-02 11:20 [#01263520]
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autechre > dutch people
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-07-02 11:24 [#01263528]
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jesus
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