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Ok.. I'm going to go outside of what I normally do, and ANALYZE something... I don't like analyzing, but as I was watching "the bone collector" on tv yesterday, I started thinking about that classical thing where the superior is extremely stupid and always fucks it up for the extremely intelligent person that works for him. So many films has this as a part of them, and while it, in some movies, has a comical purpose, it can also be interpreted otherwise... in the bone collector, for example, Denzel Washington plays a crippled, but brilliant crime-scene investigator that, in spite of being in bed all day, is still employed by the police so that the insurance-company can pay for his nurse and equipment. His boss is portrayed as a stupid "no-outside-of-the-box-thinking" guy that ruins the entire investigation PLUS gets himself killed towards the end. Now, that is only one example among many.. why is it so that so many movie-directors (and especially in USA) chose to put the stupid superior in their movie? The first thought that occured, was that it is a critique of how things are done, and how they see their superiors (people at the film-studio, and so-on). This could, of course, also be extended to the rest of the society (police-enforcers, government, and so-on). The second theory is that it is a way of telling "the little man" that "you can do it! you are smart, and your superiors are dumb," which would kind of make sense, since "the little men" (hereafter referred to as "inferiors") clearly outnumber superiors (1 superior to 10 inferiors (the superiors often have superiors over them again as well...)), and thus, the movie appeals to larger audience. |
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Now, the problem with the second theory is that it doesn't make EVERYONE seem like a hero, it puts this single person out there as the hero.. this ONE person that is smarter and better than everyone else. Teamwork isn't really an option for this character, except for in certain instances where the character notices a bit of him/herself in another person and decides to take on that person as an apprentice... The other teamwork-instances are when the smart person has a dumb or dumber companion that is sent to do the dirty-work.. this companion takes all the shit and often dies so that the intelligent one can get angry and still remain cool and clear-minded, and in the end, get revenge for the loss of a dear friend. The bad thing about this is that if anyone indentifies with the main character, teamwork will still not be an option. As I said earlier, this is most often seen in American movies, and I think it kind of explains partly what is going on over there... if this is correct, movies are pretty influential when it comes to how people act. |
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Commercial movies (most of the movies then) just give people what they want to see. Escapism etc. The main characters are usually average joes because everyone can project their personality to that. Teamwork is an excuse for a comic relief or what you wrote-a plot device. Of course that doesn't always occur in movies. Steven Seagal for example is hardly your average person. But sometimes people just like to watch the ultra violence and only that. |
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you cant expect i will read all of this shit. |
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i've never seen "Forest Gump" cos i just think a film about a mental retard who "makes it" is really fucking silly........ "Badauh... am a stupid... dang" "Congratulations young man, your business is a success" crap |
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It's an allegory. |
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yeah, sure it's what the people want to see, but this was kind of spawned by those violent film and computer game things that have been popping up and down since GTA1. It is all a part of my past, and therefore in my thoughts at all times. I think that, if the people that complain about such things are right, most movies are too questionable to ever be released. Therefore, those people are now proven wrong (I had written lots of stuff, but then I wanted to see if someone had already replied, and I lost it.. but this small thing captures the essence, at least as a reply to your post...) Hyakusen: no, I can't, but I thought I should do one of those large posts at least once... |
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I totally love movies in which the main characters are extremely extravagant like Takashi Miike films. |
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I believe that people enjoy violence anyway. Maybe this desire for blood has grown a bit with over exposure but it was already there in the audience. I don't think I understand your post except for the first paragraph. |
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interesting read mr mastah. i basically agree with you and doomed puppy. clearly there are more and less subtle invocations of fantasy in hollywood film... it's not that much of a stretch for the average joe to imagine himself as tom hanks, much more to be steven seagal, but of course both are multimillionaires and pretty damn far from your average american joe. films with extreme violence etc in are unlikely to inspire violence unless in people with pre-existing psychopathological. much like how weed smoking does not cause schizophrenia, but it may cause a latent psychotic tendency to manifest itself. i think letting teenagers see films with people smoking in has a much more damaging effect on public health. whenever i see a film with smoking in i'm desperate for a fag when i get out of the cinema! |
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first sentence even |
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He did Ichi the killer, didn't he? have you seen the Ichi the Killer animé? |
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*psychopathological = psychopathology. (or antisocial personality types) |
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oh.. the second sentence could have been a parenthesis, 'cause it was just an explanation of why I thought about the discussion over GTA1 now, since that is very old, and then, if people REALLY get affected by such things as games and movies, the age-limit on all movies should be 90+ |
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i saw ichi the killer fabular version - it was really stupid, couldnt get a clue what is the film about. |
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No. I've read the manga though. The movie was better because it had the WTF editing that Miike uses. He's made lot's of crazy and really funny films. And the messages he gets through are always cool. |
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oh.. I had hoped anyone had seen the animé, 'cause I saw it in the dvd-shop, and I wondered if it would be worth getting... |
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"if people REALLY get affected by such things as games and movies, the age-limit on all movies should be 90+" no way... I mean even alcohol is legal and that is already proven to affect people (it can't all be in our minds, can it? I mean people do get drunk, for real) Also rather than banning imagination; ban real life (e.g. ban violence not violent movies). |
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well.. violence IS banned, but it didn't help. I'm not FOR banning movies, I'm just saying that from the people that say that movies have such an effect on people's view, that would be the final thing to do... |
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"I'm not FOR banning movies, I'm just saying that from the people that say that movies have such an effect on people's view, that would be the final thing to do..." Oh yeah I know, I just made a comment on what you wrote. peace! Vad har du för planer för helgen förresten? |
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helgen? vet inte. hur så? (was that correct swedish?) |
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that was correct. I was just wondering... So it's just the usual jest for you? |
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jesting goes as jesting goes.. the main part of this thread, however, is not jesting, but when I jest, I jest as usual. |
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Forest Gump is a great movie... one of my favorites... |
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