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Damn, didn't have a clue till today... not much hockey coverage over here! They better win... Canada needs to take the stanley cup back! |
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i hope the other team takes it!! they're really good! |
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quiet you... Tampa Bay can't win... they're in Florida, and hockey is a winter sport with ice and shit... Florida can't win it, they just can't!! |
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yeah, tampa bay are excellent!! |
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im hoping calgary will win the cup..but it's gonna be close |
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OLEG SAPRYKIN SCORES IN OVERTIME!!!1 Fuck me. Those last few minutes were INCREDIBLE, the Flames looked like the Oilers circa the mid 1980's. Had the Bolts on the ropes a few times during this game. I swear they had the puck in Tampa's zone for like 4 minutes at one point. One more win and the Cup is back home. |
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this is so insane... just one more boys, just one more! |
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calgary outplayed lightning by a mile.. great game, unlike game 4 which was total crap. calgary is gonna own the cup on saturday. |
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yeah Tampa was very lucky to get to overtime... but i thought tampa was going to do it in ot because they really had calgary on the ropes for the first few shifts of ot... |
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man.. these games are annoying.. people honk till 5am when the flames win! like.. come on. |
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give them a break, it'll all be over by early next week (at the latest), and everyone will be so much more pleasant for the next little while... it's been so long, and in context, the story is just to feel-good... but yeah... i'm really glad i live in edmonton right now... it's probably the equivalent of an entire citiesworth of frathouse kids :P |
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...and they're little flames flags they stick in their car windows.. they keep forgetting and they roll down their window and it falls off and I almost hit THEM because their flags almost hit my car.. and man.. oh man.. |
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hilarious... people are so cute... |
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and then there's the flames girls.. wooty woot woot.. mm.. yea.. |
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calgary's gone |
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Man, the more I think of this, the more it blows my mind. SO MANY YEARS without a series win, without a playoff berth, and then BAM, Stanley Cup Champion. But I'm getting ahead of myself, I'm so excited. Please God let them win in Calgary on Saturday. Winning goal | V |
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no, go ning |
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The mentality of a canadian hockey fan is the fuckin worst. god i hate fucking hockey. idiots fucking cheer for one team then when their team loses they all of a sudden have another team. everyone in edmonton wanted edmonton to win, then when calgary starts winning people are driving around everyday.. TONS of them with calgary flames flags on their cars..... holy fuck these people are STUPID. |
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thoes damn flags. |
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Bandwagon yo, motherfucker! It's not so much the hockey team as it is the country, and our national pride... we're taking our game back... an ''us vs them'' mentality (not that I buy into it, I've actually defended the US on the boards here before). Anybody that's watched CBC, Canada's news leader, knows that the media here HATES the United States. The top story every evening here in Canada is always ''The US Fucked Up'' or ''George Bush is a Dickhead''. Did you see Daryl Sutter's (Flames coach) little tantrum? He suggested that the NHL heads in America are actually CONSPIRING to make Canada's team lose! It's getting intense, boys. Ironically, most of the players on the Tampa Bay Lightning are Canadian... |
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blah, what a dumb attitude... just like Ophecks said, it's our national pride... and with Edmonton, I imagine it's just down the road from Calgary, so if Edmonton is put out, people there are most likely to cheer for Calgary... cause just because your #1 team is put out, doesn't mean you stop watching... and mainly, it's a fucking game... it's all just for fun! |
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Well, that was intense... double overtime. And it was controversial. Maybe Calgary should be Stanley Cup Champions right now? Looked like it could have been a goal... or maybe an optical illusion, a trick of the eye. Could be the perspective. But nobody can say for sure, even the professionals in charge of deciding these things had inconclusive findings... Oh well, 'tis all yesterday's news. Game seven tomorrow night. |
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i still believe in them... |
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I thought I'd jump on this before Ophecks and his Canadian mafia came on... So... THE CUP STAY WITH US. U-S. US!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH! (Though most of the Lightning are Canadians by birthright, so does it matter?) |
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Most of the players in the whole league are Canadian, aren't they? So Canada should be happy when any team wins the Cup. Honestly, even though I'm a pretty big hockey fan, I lost interest in these playoffs after my team (the Blues) got their asses kicked. I wasn't surprised that they lost; but it just made me not want to watch hockey. I've been more into the NBA playoffs. |
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Grrrr... you knew as soon as Tampa scored the first goal, that it was over. That's the way the NHL works nowadays. But there's a bright side... Tampa is more Canadian than most teams in the league. Brad Richards (Conn Smythe winner, from just north of where I am), Dave Andreychuck, Vincent Lecavalier, Danny Boyle, Martin St. Louis, Cory Stillman, Darryl Sydor... lots of good Canadian boys. And it was great to see Andreychuck lift the Cup for the first time in his 22 year career... crazy great. This guy has something like 20 seasons of 20 or more goals, fuckin' nuts. One of the worst skaters in NHL history, with some of the best hands and hockey sense. 634 goals, got to be a lock for Hall of Fame now that he's captained a team to a Cup... |
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You might have thought that the hero of Game 5 was Martin Gelinas of the Flames, who scored the first goal 2:13 in. Surely you've heard how important the first goal is. Hockey fans are bombarded with statistics showing that the team that scores first wins in the playoffs a vast majority of the time, usually something like 75 percent. "First goal vital to playoff success," read a headline on a column last month on the NHL Web site. Writer John Kreiser showed that while the team that scores first in the last few regular seasons has won between 66 and 69 percent of the time, in the playoffs, where there are no ties, the figure rises to 73-77. TV announcers talk about this all the time and accompanying graphics back up the point. Coaches talk about it too. The conclusion is obvious, right? That first goal is really important. Horse feathers! shouts reader Scott Van Essen, who wrote me on this subject a few weeks ago and did not actually use that Marxist phrase. Van Essen, who calls himself "a pretty smart guy [with] two degrees in physics from a pretty tough school, with a really strong math background," calls this first-goal business "the most obnoxiously used meaningless statistic ever." Aside to baseball fans in Southern California: This guy has clearly never listened closely to Ross Porter. "It's presented as though scoring the first goal is somehow more important than scoring all of the other goals," Van Essen writes. "Now, I'll admit that there is a psychological advantage to being ahead, but I'm going to say it's pretty minimal. I'm pretty sure that at this stage in the playoffs, no team is going to crumble just because they suddenly find themselves down one-zip. [continued] |
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"In a game as low scoring as hockey, that first goal (or any goal) is representing one half or one third of your expected final score. So it's not that there's something mystical about scoring that first goal giving you an advantage, it's that scoring any goal is a huge chunk of your expected offensive output, which your opponent has not yet managed to put on the board. So yeah, you have a huge advantage over your opponent, but it's not because you scored first, it's because you scored at all, and your opponents haven't." Van Essen also points out that the commentariat is mixing up cause and effect by putting so much emphasis on the first goal. "The team that scores first is likely to be the better team," he writes. "That doesn't mean that they're the better team because they scored first. It [likely] means they scored first because they're the better team." He sums up the whole problem by calling it "nothing more than statisticians mining through piles of data, finding interesting correlations, and then presenting them as though they are causal relationships." This all makes sense to me so I did a little mini-study to see if I could back up the logic with some numbers. I mined through the pile of data that is the 40 playoff games that the Lightning and Flames have combined to play, including the five in which they've played each other, and you'll never believe what I found. The team that has scored the first goal of the game is 33-7, a winning percentage of .825, even better than the overall trend of the last few years. But get this: The team that scores the second goal of the game is 31-6. That's an .838 winning percentage! (There have been three 1-0 games.) We're all looking at the wrong goal! Coaches are giving the wrong speech! They're saying, "Let's get out there and get that first one, boys," when they should be saying, "Let's get out there and score second!" OK, OK, you caught me doing the same thing. But I think my little study backs up Van Essen's point. It |
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OK, OK, you caught me doing the same thing. But I think my little study backs up Van Essen's point. It's not the first goal that's so important, it's any goal. I'd wager that if you look at the record of the team that scores any goal, the third, fourth, whatever, you're going to find that it has a pretty lopsided winning record. (And conversely, the team that scores no goals has a really bad record.) If anyone wants to undertake this study -- look at the records of the teams in all playoff games this year who have scored the first, second, third and so on goals -- I'll offer a year's subscription to Salon for the results. Talk to me before you start. And as for you hockey teams, you should do what I've been saying for years: Get out there and score any goals! |
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Hockey needs more goals... the goalie equipment now is twice as large, and half as heavy as it was back in ye olde days of the deer hair pad. Watch any video of '80s hockey, and it's jarring how small the goalies look in their net. Get rid of this bullshit right now. I'm not one of those people that dislikes smart defensive play, the trap and the left wing lock... but I AM one of those people that like watching pretty goals, not pucks being swallowed into massive jerseys with mountainous shoulder pads. Look at the size of that fivehole on Gerry Cheevers down below... that doesn't exist anymore, because pads are designed to compress that thing to the size of a fucking fist. You go into the butterfly, and goalie pads automatically converge and shut the door. Trappers are also cavernous. I'm sick of it, it's not a protection matter anymore. JS Giguere was the worst, the Michelin Man. Martin Brodeur is one of the few goalies that look reasonable in net now. He says he can't move wearing the gear Garth Snow and other gorillas wear. |
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good article told ya the ning would rise up! |
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it's a shame they lost, but i'm still very proud of them... i've been waiting for years to see the flames even make the playoffs again, and the fact that they got so far with relatively little star power is a testament to just how well they played as a team... i hear people talking about how lucky they are that they had kiprusoff and iginla... and as true as that is, they made it to one win from the stanley cup because every player that stepped onto the ice for them played absolutely phenomenal, doing all the important little things that go unnoticed like blocking shots, and beating out icing calls, and forechecking like motherfuckers... i've never been so excited to watch hockey in my life, and i will look back on this season fondly... hopefully there will be more success in the future for these guys.... |
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Giguere and his abyss... do something about this, Bettman. There's no room. |
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as much as i agree about the crazy size of pads... it would really help if they decided to crack down on all the cross checking, holding, hooking, tripping, and all the other bullshit that players get away with purely because everyone does it... there's no more brilliant stick work because no one can move five steps without being latched on to or otherwise impeded... |
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Unfortunately, it's going to take a minor miracle for Calgary to do this again... they're a hardworking, gutsy crew, but that only takes you so far. Traditionally, teams like that don't win. They CAN'T win, they never have and this year is no exception. They can get to the finals, and then lose to powerhouse talents like Tampa. Florida, Carolina, Minnesota (against the Penguins), Washington... all total failures after their Cinderella run. Let's face it, this was a Cinderella run. I hope I'm wrong... they've got some young up and comers, like Phaneuf. But they don't have the monster D-Man that you need to win championships, nor the elite offensive forces. And none of their young guys are elite offensive players. |
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i disagree about their d-men... they have one of the best defensive corps in the league... Regehr is their monster... i mean they did phenomenally against some top offensive teams without some of their top d (denis gauthier, and toni Lydman)... that said, i really don't think they will get to the cup finals again... but so long as they remain competitive i will be happy... |
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That's also true, that definitely needs to be rectified. But I think that's not as big a problem as these pads, though... Gretzky said the same and I totally agree. There's always been dirty stickwork and clutching and grabbing, but for some reason they really focus on it NOW that the scoring is so low. Watch a Broadstreet Bullies game circa 1975, those guys made today's teams look like angels. Players are bigger, faster and stronger now... conditioning and equipments has made the game tighter and faster. We'll never see firewagon 80's hockey again, regardless of the rules, regardless of officiating. Coaches are too informed, and more work than ever goes into planning strategies, studying teams, preparing mentally and physically. |
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Regehr is average offensively, and will never be anything more. 30 points maximum ceiling on him. You need a Niedermayer or a Blake or a Bourque or Lidstrom to be your best D-man, not a Regehr. Someone that can put up 70 points a year. No team ever wins without one, EVER. He's awesome, but he's not the key, he's a different kind of monster. |
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omg this thread is getting me all excited aboot canada!11111 2 days to go!1111111111111111111111111 |
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