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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-06-01 10:42 [#01217715]
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does anyone know of a client and/or site that supplies lots of .flac files, particularly strong in the IDM and ambient genre? soulseek isn't much of a help (all im getting are phish and nirvana .flacs ... woop-dee-doo) ...
in specific, im looking for the new pan sonic (kesto) in .flac. but anything else would be good :)
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-01 10:46 [#01217723]
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buy it!
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azatoth233
from tku (Finland) on 2004-06-01 10:52 [#01217727]
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BUY IT YOU CHEAP BASTARD
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-06-01 10:57 [#01217731]
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oh shush. i will buy it eventually, but SOME OF US ARE JUST OUT OF UNIVERSITY and are very short on cash. food comes first. music comes second. when the economy gets better and the job rolls in, then i can buy it. but for now, there are a lot of people who are in my position that don't have much cash and it isn't necessarily fair to subject them to shitty lossy versions of music that they enjoy.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-01 11:03 [#01217743]
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"it isn't necessarily fair to subject them to shitty lossy versions of music that they enjoy"
yes it is totally unfair
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-06-01 11:05 [#01217749]
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hey, are you being sarcastic? because i dont need yer stinkin' smartass comments. all im doing is asking a simple question.
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2004-06-01 11:06 [#01217751]
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You don't have 15 spare dollars? You have enough to pay for internet access, and since you want flacs, I'm assuming you're on high speed.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-01 11:08 [#01217756]
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settle for mp3s like regular ppl do
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-06-01 11:08 [#01217757]
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$15 dollars? are you kidding me? i dont know what state you're from, but HERE IN CANADA the price is about $40ish, if im lucky. and don't try to push that 'well duh, order it in the states through some mailorder bs' because there is this thing called duty tax and provincial tax that i have to add on top of the exchange rate.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-01 11:11 [#01217765]
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or check here, but i think it is mostly rock things that are shared there. plus you need bit torrent
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 11:11 [#01217767]
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soulseek goes down for two minutes and 50,000 threads pop up here, but this person asks a question about p2p and they get immediately hosed.
i don't get it.
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2004-06-01 11:13 [#01217769]
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You want some cheese with that WHINE?
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2004-06-01 11:13 [#01217772]
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That was directed towards jenf.
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-06-01 11:24 [#01217790]
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yeah, the hypocrisy ceases to amaze me.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-01 11:28 [#01217794]
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sorry i just have a strong dislike for the annoying lossless files fanatics. not saying you're one, just saying a 192kbps mp3 is a more than good enough alternative to actual cds. check the link i mentioned above, though. i got some great concerts from that site.
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-06-01 11:32 [#01217796]
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yeah i totally understand what you mean, but to assume that someone is looking for lossless rips for the mere fact that they think it's 'better' b/c of the sound is really prejudging the situation. personally, i wanted to find these files to check out what they really sound like, out of pure curiousity. not necessarily to be an audio snob. but audio snobs surround 80% of this message board. so it shouldn't be a surprise to have a question based around lossy/lossless formats. :)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 11:33 [#01217798]
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i'm not trying to offend anyone here, but i agree with Netlon Sentinel.
jenf, you say that you will eventually buy the material, but for the moment you'd like a decent quality copy of it? Well, by demanding a "lossless" format you are pretty much implying that you do not intend to buy the material on cd, because if you were gonna buy it, a 192Kbps or higer MP3 or an AAC would suffice until you could get hold of the CD.
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-06-01 11:33 [#01217800]
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Why would someone want to use flac files?
My mummy always used to tell me when I was a kid: "Buy the fucking CD, rip it and put the wavs in a separate folder. There ya have it! LOSSLESS FILES HONEY!!"
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 11:34 [#01217802]
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btw, please don't take my comment as offensive - i'm just pointing out what i observed from this thread.
i hope that you can find a solution to your problem jenf :)
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2004-06-01 11:35 [#01217804]
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I honestly don't understand how people can tell the difference between mp3s and .flac/.shn etc, as long as the mp3s are 192kbps or better. I've downloaded some .flac torrents because they're the only format I can find, but I'd honestly prefer mp3s. Smaller and more convienent for burning, playing, etc.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-01 11:35 [#01217806]
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the quote i took from you implies otherwise, but hey.
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optimus prime
on 2004-06-01 11:36 [#01217809]
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all mp3s sounds like garbage to me. but it might be because i only have one speaker.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 11:36 [#01217811]
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just to clarify, i totally think you should buy the cd. i just didn't understand why this thread generated flames, while tons of other p2p threads do not.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 11:36 [#01217812]
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i can tell the difference between a 160Kbps MP3 and a 160Kbps AAC file. i can only tell the difference with the higher frequencies though. But I wouldn't complain if I could only get hold of material in 160Kbps MP3
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jenf
from Toronto (Canada) on 2004-06-01 11:37 [#01217814]
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i think that argument is flawed, actually. if i were to seek a lossless format, it would not necessarily follow that i would never purchase the cd. there are many weird people like myself who like to have multiple copies of an album, in multiple formats just for the sheer hobby-istic fun of collecting music, even if it's the same song. why is it so impossible to fathom someone having a lossless album and the actual purchased album? heck, ive done that with autechre on a few cds, and ended up purchasing them. so there.
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-06-01 11:38 [#01217816]
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It's really not that hard at all, given the right source material and the right listening gear (not headphones with fans whirring in your ears).
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2004-06-01 11:38 [#01217818]
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some were ironic remarks rather than flames, i do think. and my point was something different altogether. so there.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 11:39 [#01217820]
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just a week or so ago i burnt two copies of madvillainy, one from 192kbs MP3s, the other from flac files. both sets of files were ripped from an original copy of the cd.
the flac copy was obviously more crisp, and i'm no huge audiophile. i think just about anyone could've noticed a difference.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 11:39 [#01217823]
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:)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 11:41 [#01217828]
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i'm sorry, i didn't mean to generalize.
in my opinion though, if i got hold of a lossless version of some music, unless i really wanted the cover artwork and so forth, there wouldn't be much point in buying the cd.
please forgive me if i have offended with my statement. i was just trying to show my point of view on this subject :)
as for lossless file sharing clients, i don't think i've ever come across one.
I'm kind of annoyed that I can't find anyone online who has AAC files :( I think i must be the only one! I always rip stuff at 160Kbps AAC
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 11:47 [#01217837]
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Yeah right...there was this car I wanted, but I had just got out of university and couldn't afford it, so I just walked into the showroom and stole it (I intend to go back and give them the money when I get off my arse and get a job, but obviously because I have been to university I'm not taking anything I consider below me). Sure I could have got the bus until I could properly afford the car, I would still have got to where I was going but it's just not as good as a car. hehe, shortly after I took the car the showroom went bankrupt and closed.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 11:48 [#01217839]
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you are a genius
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eXXailon
from purgatory on 2004-06-01 11:49 [#01217842]
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a visionary
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-06-01 11:51 [#01217845]
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That's a false analogy. You can't equate physical theft with copyright violation.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 11:57 [#01217852]
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I think you can.
You are stealing someones hard work. You are taking food off their table especially in the case of small independent labels. You can fool yourself all you like about copyright 'violation' (theft) not being a real crime, but that is just pure ignorance.
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2004-06-01 11:57 [#01217853]
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Well, I just downloaded a few .flac bootlegs that are all from the late 60s and 70s, and I can't imagine that they sound any better than mp3s, because the original obviously isn't a perfect recording. So I'd rather just have mp3s.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 11:59 [#01217855]
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it depends on if they've been remastered though, right?
if they've been remastered and eq'd, then you would be able to hear a difference.
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2004-06-01 12:01 [#01217858]
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I have no idea. I'm not an audiophile. I'm pretty sure this was a "hold-a-mic-in-the-air" operation. I'm currently listening to Zappa 5-9-70.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 12:06 [#01217870]
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heheh
they're the best recordings
they've got character.
even though digital is a great way to work with audio, i find it can be sometimes too clean. i prefer a little grit
:)
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-06-01 12:07 [#01217875]
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Who said copyright violation wasn't a real crime?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 12:11 [#01217881]
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Theft is theft, whether of intellectual property or physical property...therefore of course they can me equated to each other, especially when used in an analogous sense.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 12:12 [#01217883]
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it's kinda like saying that fucking your mother is different from fucking your sister.
no it's not
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 12:13 [#01217885]
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how do you know what fucking my mother and fucking my sister is like? As far as I recall I have never had a montary transaction with yourself.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 12:14 [#01217886]
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don't you remember, i slipped you a couple of fivers the other week. you said i was on a promise
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 12:16 [#01217891]
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A couple of fivers....HAHAHA I had you ripped off then...normally I only charge people 25p for a night with both of them.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-01 12:17 [#01217892]
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i'd give her some non lossy compressions.. if you know what i mean
nyuck nyuck nyuck
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2004-06-01 12:19 [#01217901]
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yeh, that's why we had a whole week of non-stop fun. didn't you notice they were gone for a whole week?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 12:20 [#01217903]
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AIDS?
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-06-01 12:22 [#01217907]
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Western law disagrees with you. If you want to stick with your emotional semantics that's fine by me.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-06-01 12:26 [#01217915]
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Western Law? I hope you are aware that different nations have their own laws regarding these matters and there is not a generic 'western law'.
However, I would like you to tell me exactly how your so called 'western law' disagrees with me.
I await your response.
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