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         |  goodhands team
             from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 17:54 [#01211424] Points: 361 Status: Regular
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 | here is a website ran by a friend of a friend out of rafah.  if you are at all interested in the destruction
 that occurs there on a daily basis, give a visit.
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2004-05-27 17:59 [#01211436] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker
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 | also check this while you're at it. 
 
 
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         |  goodhands team
             from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:17 [#01211453] Points: 361 Status: Regular
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 | also check this out: 
 latest intefada death totals up to and including 2003:
 israel deaths: less than 500
 palestinian deaths: more than 2,000
 
 who, then, is terrorizing who?  and who, then, is
 "retaliating" against who?
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:18 [#01211456] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker | Followup to goodhands team: #01211453
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 | if thats your logic, then the US is terrorists in Iraq. 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:19 [#01211457] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Zeus: #01211456
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 | so maybe i agree 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:20 [#01211458] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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         |  X-tomatic
             from ze war room on 2004-05-27 18:24 [#01211460] Points: 2901 Status: Lurker | Followup to fleetmouse: #01211436
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 | Oh my, that was some real shocking news!!! *cough*sarcasm*cough*
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:25 [#01211461] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | lets just quote the great political analyst jack black: 
 ITS JUST A BIG HORNETS NEST!!!!!!! HORENTS NESTTTT!!!!!!!
 
 
 
 
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         |  happy cycling
             on 2004-05-27 18:28 [#01211464] Points: 2788 Status: Lurker | Followup to goodhands team: #01211453
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 | first of all, another website from israel. the videos are especially lovely.
 
 second,
 the israeli security service has successfully foiled as many
 as thirty suicide bombings in a single week. the number of
 casualties the palestinians are consistently aiming at is
 much, much higher than what they actually accomplish. the
 suicide bombings that actually do occur constitute a small
 fraction of ones attempted. combine that with the excellent
 medical service and emergency response service israel has
 developed as a response to palestinian terrorism, and you
 get a very different picture.
 
 you might also ask yourself why the gaza hamas has continued
 killing israeli civilians (a mother and her four infant
 children is one particular incident that comes to mind)
 while the israeli prime minister was trying to approve a
 plan to pull out of gaza and end the occupation there. then
 you might answer that the hamas is not interested in an
 israeli pull-out, because it would deligitimize their
 struggle to "drive all jews to the sea" (as their charter
 wonderfully puts it) from palestine and israel.
 
 i'm not for the occupation (and, in the case of gaza, so are
 over 70% of the israeli public, according to recent polls),
 but if there's one thing i'm really against it's
 college-students-cum-armchair-politicians with an
 understanding of the conflict that stems from a bunch of
 stoned discussions in their dorm room underneath a che
 guevera flag.
 
 just drop the topic. accept art as some saving grace in an
 otherwise filthy humanity and keep it away from here.
 
 
 
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         |  goodhands team
             from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:33 [#01211466] Points: 361 Status: Regular
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 | i agree 100%.  in fact, if you look actual definition of terrorism, it is:
 "violence or intimidation committed by a group for political
 purposes."
 
 sounds like iraq to me.
 
 
 
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         |  dog_belch
             from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-27 18:38 [#01211478] Points: 15098 Status: Addict | Show recordbag
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 | Let's have a fight on here about who is right, then when only one person is left typing, they can email Israel and
 tell them who is allowed to bomb and who isn't.
 
 
 
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         |  goodhands team
             from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:48 [#01211489] Points: 361 Status: Regular | Followup to happy cycling: #01211464
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 | i dont hate jews.  i dont hate any 'race'.  or anything like that...jsut to get that out of the way.  i DO hate
 governments that kill lots and lots of people.  and justify
 it.  as an american, ive grown to know such kinds of
 governments.  because we are the most guilty.  yeah, you can
 say what you want about policies, and college students (im
 not in college), and i will keep saying this:
 
 "Total number of Palestinian deaths & injuries in West Bank
 & Gaza since Sept 29th, 2000  is  2,986  deaths,  26,223
 injuries.    (Figures inclusive to May. 21, 2004)."
 -red crescent
 
 "Between September 29, 2000 and May 1, 2004, Magen David
 Adom treated a total of 6,314 casualties as follows:
 847 killed, 549 severely injured, 784 moderately and 4,134
 lightly injured, among them 11 MDA staff members.'
 -israeli ministry of foreign affairs.
 
 you say youre against the occupation.  i would hope that
 part of the reaon is b/c of the massive amount of people
 israel is killing.  its certainly why im against the
 occupation of iraq by the us.  b/c those numbers are like
 800 (us) to somewhere near 10,000 (iraq).
 
 
 
 
 
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         |  goodhands team
             from bloomington (United States) on 2004-05-27 18:59 [#01211512] Points: 361 Status: Regular | Followup to dog_belch: #01211478
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 | well, israel doesnt use 'bombs', they use missles that they drop from helicopters, and most recently in the last week,
 f16s.  israel has nuclear weapons, fighter jets, and laser
 guided missles.  and in the last four years have killed more
 foreign civilians in the middle east than any other mideast
 state. (i would say more than any other country, but america
 holds that distinction)  yet, the american policy geared
 towards WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and TERRORISM (see
 previous definition) IN THE MIDDLE EAST seems to skip over
 israels conduct.  only now has the US obstained form a vote
 (that they previously vetoed EVERY FUCKING TIME) by the UN
 condemming israels conduct.
 
 
 
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