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offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 12:07 [#01174339]
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Hi folks, I posted this in another thread, but I'm getting
desperate enough to make a dedicated thread:

Coursework I'm doing now is on techniques used in animation

programs like Maya. I have to select 3 and write about them,

I'm doing keyframing in Poser, Particle/fluids in Maya and I

need one more technique, but I'm stumped. Ideally a fairly
cutting edge technology, along with a package (could be one
of the two I've already mentioned) that can implent it and
some URLS about it/of tutorials would be ideal. Any
suggestions much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Ceri.



 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-05 12:09 [#01174345]
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constraint-based
explicit
procedural


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 12:13 [#01174348]
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you know when you draw little pictures in the corner of a
Post-It note book, and then flick it through, and it moves?

;)

well there's something called "Machinimation" which as i
believe, involves using game engines to make cinematics

would that be useful to you?

go to here for a company that dedicates itself to making
cinematics with this technique

LAZY_FUCKING_LINKAGE


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 12:43 [#01174370]
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Yes I've read about that in new scientist (I remember seeing
it first years ago in Quake 1 :-). That's a really good idea
and I think I'll cover that (the person marking this is a
big Quake and UT head). Cheers!


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 12:46 [#01174377]
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ahhh :)

cool, glad i could come up with a good idea for you to use.

I thought of that, because you mentioned

technique

and

cutting edge

well, it's definitely a different technique to use for
animation, and if you're using the latest engines, then it
is cutting edge!

As far as I'm aware, cut scenes in most modern games are
using the actual game engine itself to render the animation
and things. Obviously things like DOOM3 and Half-Life 2, but
I'm sure that Aliens vs. Predator 2 used it.....that's the
earliest one I can think of that actually uses the game
engine for anim scenes.....

also Return To Castle Wolfenstein does too :)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 12:49 [#01174383]
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Tomb Raider 1 actually used in engine gfx for a lot of the
cut scenes :)


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 12:52 [#01174386]
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ahhh, yes you're right

i seem to remember it used the engine for scenes :)

i didn't immediately remember that one, because i'm not a
particular fan of Third Person Perspective games......don't
like the way the camera usually seems to go everywhere
except where you wanna see....i guess that's why I
love First Person Perspective games so much!

The only 3rd Person game I could ever play was MDK, and that
was only because I made myself play it because of the usage
of guns
;)

would like to play MDK2 if I can get hold of it for Mac (and
it'll run in OS X)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 12:59 [#01174396]
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I've got MDK2 for the PC (came with my soundcard or maybe
GFX card, I forget which). Good game... the "parachute" is
superb.

I also prefer first person games... I'm currently playing
manhunt and as 3rd person games go, the camera is very good,
but it still gets in the way at times.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 13:04 [#01174398]
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i'm guessing it'd have been with your graphics card - i seem
to remember some promotional thing to do with MDK2 and a
certain graphics card manufacturer (i think it was ATI).
Yeah the 'chute was cool in the first one, but since the
second one was more graphics intensive it would look the
bomb (i'm sure that the sprites were 3d polygons instead of
flat)

i hope you're finding Manhunt enjoyable :)

the latest game I "own" is RtCW, but I can't play it on my
iBook (runs too slow, even though the min spec is a 500MHz
G3 - bad port i'd say)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 13:07 [#01174400]
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Yep, all true 3d in mdk2. You get to play as the four armed
dog (max?) too.

Manhunt is great, I'm just shocked that there wasn't more of
an outcry about it/banning. It's a hell of a lot worse than
GTA... That said, it is a good stealth/survival horror game
anyway and the shock factor isn't all it has going for it.
Brian Cox (Stryker from Xmen 2) was a brilliant choice of
voice actor for the main baddie.

RtCW? What's that?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 13:13 [#01174414]
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yeh, i heard that you get to play Bones the dog....pretty
nifty, as long as he's got a gun on every arm ;)

I've not got access to an xbox, so I'll never get to see or
play that game. My little bro has a PS2, but he likes shit
like Pokemon and things like that. lol

sorry, my bad.....i should really stop lollygagging and type
the whole name :)

RtCW = Return to Castle Wolfenstein


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 13:22 [#01174432]
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Manhunt is on xbox, PC and Ps2 now. I got the PC version as
it'll never come out on GC and I don't have the other 2
consoles.

Ah right :)

Yes, RtCW is a good laugh. I got stuck on one of the undead
levels and gave up single player mode, but I used to play it
multiplayer on LAN a fair bit. Nice having the different
objectives and the idea of "reinforcements" instead of
either instant respawning or having to sit out the round (a
la Counterstrike).


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 13:28 [#01174438]
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ahh, i didn't realise it was out for those platforms...i
might get to see it if my mate gets hold of it - he's still
running a PC at the moment, but he's clawing to get hold of
a Mac.....poor soul, he still wants to get an MS2000
though...i think that will win him over!

RtCW i thought was ok but it's not brilliant. The
levels seemed very straightforward. It was blindingly
obvious that id Software only had supervisory influences
here, they had nothing to do with level design
unfortunately...otherwise I would have liked RtCW a lot
more.

I did love being able to play it and think "I remember
playing Wolfenstein 3D....and now it's evolved to this!"
:)

ahh, computer games - i have wasted many months of my life
playing thee

here's a quick question for ya Ceri:

What would be your ALL TIME favorite game of all best-est
time?

Mine will always be DOOM. That level where you're in the
"warehouse" with all the boxes...pure brilliance


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 13:36 [#01174446]
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"Mine will always be DOOM. That level where you're in the
"warehouse" with all the boxes...pure brilliance"

Level E2M1? Yes, that's a good one!

My all time favourite game is a really tricky one. As
a kid I was really into my games, so there are loads that
are really special to me.

I suppose I'd normally have said X-Com: Terror From The Deep
on the PC, but I recently found out (from a colleague who
used to work at Microprose) that due to a bug it's
impossible to complete without cheats, so it loses major
marks in my book for that.

So, it's either Chaos on the Spectrum or Worms (any version
up until World Party- it got pants after that) on the PC.
Interesting that all 3 games I mention are turn based, even
though I love "twitch gaming" side scrollers :)


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 13:45 [#01174463]
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UFO: Enemy Unknown (the first in the X-Com series) had me
borrowing my mates AmigaCD32 console for weeks and weeks!

I loved that game.

That is a bitch about not being able to complete the game
without cheats...you'd have thought someone would come up
with a patch for it, if only to make it more fair.

another firm fave would be Streets Of Rage (the original
one), as you mentioned side-scrollers ;)

also, Duke Nukem and Commander Keen



 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 13:51 [#01174471]
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I blame my mate- he was one of the playtesters- he should of
found the bug! Apparently the company's official line (when
people rang up the helpline) was that it was intentionally
rock hard and you had to mind control at least two lobster
men commanders (really hard to do) at once as well as
be lucky to complete it.

Apparently the first one (Enemy unknown) was better than
TFTD, but I never really got into it.

I was playing SOR 1 the other day (got my MD set up in my
room currently)... still a great game. It's a shame fighting
force was so poor. I've yet to see a decent 3d SOR type game
(although Die Hard Arcade, in the Arcade, was pretty good I
suppose)


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-05 13:53 [#01174473]
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Is this supposed to say "Graphics Mods"? Or what is a Bod?


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2004-05-05 13:55 [#01174476]
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i think he means "bod" as in "bodies" as in "people"

:)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-05-05 13:55 [#01174477]
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Bods- slang english for people, from "bodies" (as in, body
of men) nowadays usually refers to someone a bit geeky, "Oh,
he's a HTML bod"


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-05-05 13:56 [#01174479]
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Understood.


 


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