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Its going to be worldwide Go to your local protest tomorrow, or start one if there is none. take the streetz |
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end racism? |
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what are we protesting? i will protest by smoking some chronic with my old friend ben and walking around downtown denver. |
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My good friend just moved to Denver. |
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If I wanted to be a hippy I would have signed to Rephlex. FUCK PROTESTS>>> |
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the lady doth.... zzzzzzzzzzz |
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i think everyone will be hungover |
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I was interested until I saw the heading, "Support the Haitian People". Anyone who tries to cynically get cash for compensation from Rockstar games (one of my favourite developers) doesn't get my help... |
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ahahahaha (that was a joke right???) |
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what? who? |
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agreed |
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wtf is that protest anyway ? maybe we should go and say "More bread for Ants ? " poor agitation, nonsense. pathetic |
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Initially, a group representing the views of Haitians (in itself horribly rascist; I'd feel pretty pissed off if someone started an organisation claiming to represent the views of Welsh people...) requested Rockstar remove a line of dialogue from their game GTA: Vice City. Obviously, they expected Rockstar to give them two fingers and battle them in court (where they could possibly get compensation). Instead, Rockstar said something to the effect, "We're not in the wrong, but we don't want the hassle of a court case." and agreed to remove the offending dialogue from future copies of the game. However, a week or so later this group then changed their tack, they wanted compensation as well. "On behalf of all Haitian people". Call me cynical, but if they get it, I doubt they'd dole it out equally amongst everyone with any haitian blood... . My comment, perhaps in poor taste, jokingly insinuated that all Haitian people are part of a group, and that I wouldn't support their cause because of what this "entire" group (in reality, a few dozen people) did. The point being that the group seeking compensation lumped all haitian people together in this manner. On the subject of the protestors we're discussing here, whilst I felt neutral to them before, I'm now against them, purely because a protest (and a piss poor one at that), held me up for 20 minutes this afternoon. As usual, there were no clear banners indicating what it was about, just a bunch of attention seeking dolts inconveniancing people for some extremely vague point. Note to protestors: Contrary to what applies to showbiz, in real life there is such a thing as bad publicity. If your protest pisses people off, it: a) Strengthens the argument of your opposition. and b) is likely to sway anyone previously neutral to your goals the other way. |
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Hundreds of thousands of people in New York City and across the world today stood up against an injust war which has cost the lives of thousands of innocent people. Sorry you were held up for 20 minutes this afternoon. Also, I bet the purpose of the protest was pretty clear, there were plenty of banners here, and there were probably 100000 of them in today. Had you been able to deduce what the protest was about, I'm sure you would have been against the point that was being made. I think that's what you meant by 'extremely vague point.' |
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A joke ain't funny if you have to explain it in two paragraphs :P |
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Honestly, the protest I was held up by was vague to the point of being meaningless and with respect, you weren't at this one, so you aren't really at liberty to comment on it in any authoratative capacity. There were no banners and had I not seen this thread/caught the tail end of the news this afternoon I wouldn't of known what it was about. One poorly handmade banner saying "World Peace (unintelligible word)" is not exactly specific... "Sorry you were held up for 20 minutes this afternoon." Regardless of whether the protestors care about any inconveniance caused to me, it doesn't do them any favours to annoy the general populance. By all means go down to your government's admin centre and protest en masse, but a gathering of 30 or so people holding up traffic, winding up shoppers does nothing for your cause. I'd be just as annoyed if it was a loads of military personnel's families doing a "support for the troops" rally that held me up. Ecnadniarb: I knew some people here (like Virginpusher)would get it. Just because I had to explain it meticulously to the un1337 like yourself... :P |
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*"no mass of banners..." |
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And on the subject of these protests; what specifically do protestors (in general) actually suggest is the best course of action? Surely they don't want us to pull out troops now while we're rebuilding their critical infrastructure (by that I mean pipelines, bridges etc. not political systems)? |
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Oh yes rebuilding an excellent infrastructure of US companies and the odd UK one etc. to rape Iraqs economy. Control should be handed over to the UN or me. |
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actually, im going to a protest to protest all the protesting. i even made the super coolest and most poignant sign that anyone there will have: "someone please beat me down" |
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I saw footage yesterday of a unit of Royal Engineers rebuilding a bridge that linked Basrah to the next town that was the main source of food. The local people were genuinely happy about it. This isn't a "cash for oil" situation or our big contractors doing repairs (which admittedly we're responsible for), it's our soldiers doing work that undeniably improves the quality of people's lives and they are doing it for free. Are you suggesting we should take them home? What about forces personnel who volunteered as field doctors/to give blood in the recent hotel bombing, should they come home too? Saying our forces are purely doing bad there is a rather black and white view of it. Certainly, having armed soldiers patrolling creates a tense, hostile atmosphere, but to say they are not doing any good there is nonsense. |
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I didn't say our forces were doing a bad job, you just interpreted my post that way. Byt let's not fool ourselves into thinking that our forces would still be there, or indeed have been there in the first place, had it not have been for the natural resources we can now pillage. |
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I won't deny the oil at least heavily influneced the situation (even if I don't strictly agree that it was the main motivation for going to war). My point is that now, regardless of whether or not they ought to of gone to war, I believe that it would now be better for Iraq if they stay there till it's up and running again. |
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Of course it was the main reason...followed by wanting to get a foothold in the middle east to bully surrounding nations and revenge to rectify what is regarded as GB1's biggest presidential failure. Western nations have sat by and wtch genocide take place in nations that economically have nothing to offer us. |
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*Puts on Devil's Advocate Horns* A republican would argue there are many regimes to topple in the name of democracy, we can only focus on one at once, otherwise it would drag on for years. Why not go for one where not only do the people get freedom, but we get some natural resources into the bargain? My Dad's theory is that America wanted to give a Muslim state a kicking for September 11th, and Saddam's regime was the one that was easiest to justify... |
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Even though we had given Afghanistan a kicking? Where were the strong helpful westerners in Rwanda? Why is Mugabe allowed to slaughter white people in Zimbabwe? No economic gain...money rules. |
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I was at work, but I saw it go by one block away. Looked like a good couple thousand |
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Yes, even my most conservative friend agrees Zimbabwe's was the most "deserving" regime to be toppled next. |
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The point is though, simply, we won't. I didn't agree with the war in Iraq...and I don't agree with nations thinking they should police other nations. The UN was set up to handle these types of situations and the US along with it's slaves (sorry I mean allies) decided to wage an unjust war...which has not only made them look like the lying scum they are, but also caused more outrage in the Muslim world and increased the threat of reprisal attacks tenfold. |
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Let's be frank: America pretty much is unstoppable. Arguing with it isn't really an option... |
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Until they piss China off...and that's what they are scared of. |
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Let's not forget that the war on Iraq didn't begin until they received assurances from China that they wouldn't be getting involved. The US are shit scared of the Chinese. |
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Rightly so... I'm sure you know what Liverpool's chinatown is like. |
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I love Chinatown...I got a lot of friends there...can be a little rough sometimes though. |
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we had some people in downtown denver protesting today. |
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like someone else was saying in this thread (didn't read the whole posts) protesting just pisses a lot of people off.... particularly, in my experience, the people who are pretty important to convince of your cause...... and not in a good way..... i think people who organize stuff like that for a cause could do things that are a lot more effective..... but i guess getting people to come out and have fun at a protest is relatively easy.... and protesting is relatively easy for those people..... its not terribly constructive "im upset!" okay... great..... ill keep that in mind next time i invade a country i just hope you dotn figure out a more effective way of stopping me... |
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Very interesting read, from an anti-war individual: . |
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Im glad the war is over. |
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Stop War and Racism all in one punch!! AWESOME! Why not just take out AIDS and Poverty while yer at it, ya inconsiderate, fucks! |
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But it worked! |
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very interesting read ceri. thanks for bringing it to my attention. stands to reason though. seems as though every movement throughout human history has been hi-jacked by a few corrupt individuals with an axe to grind. undermining valid points left/right + centre. 2 clichés seem very apt in these circumstances: life is shades of grey, irs never as simple as black and white. one rotten apple destroys the whole batch. sigh. |
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