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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:41 [#01100857]
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by gus van sant...i just saw it. this is probably the most minimalistic film i have ever seen - but i can totally relate to it. there was like 2 pages of dialogue, and i bet most of it was just casual talk between damon and affleck (as they're friends in real life as well).
there are some scenes that last like 10 minuts and they're just walking not saying anything camera doesn't move...but in combination with awesone music (arvo part) it gives great effect.
i bet they didn't spend much money on this, but the outcome is brilliant.
anyone else seen this?
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-03-05 18:44 [#01100862]
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Matt Damon and Ben Affleck? I hate Ben Affleck... but the movie sounds cool...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:45 [#01100863]
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casey affleck infact...i don't like ben either...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:46 [#01100864]
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ben was probably busy with j-lo or something...but it was WAY better this way
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-03-05 18:46 [#01100866]
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i really should see this...
have you seen any Bresson/Resnais/Tarkovsky/Antonioni ? i'm just curious because i wonder how Gerry compares to their films (as far as minimalism is concerned)?
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-03-05 18:47 [#01100867]
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but it is Matt Damon then? I don't much like him either, but the movie does sound cool... I'll probably never have a chance to see it here though!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:52 [#01100874]
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hmm, i don't know all of them, but it's a bit like tarkovsky only more colourful :)
funkmaster...yes, it was matt damon, i actually liked him in some movies he's good imo.
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from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-03-05 18:53 [#01100876]
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looks really well photographed...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:55 [#01100879]
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yeah, the camera work and photography are great...
btw, it doesn't really have the same touch as tarkovsky, this one is like warmer if you know what i mean (not beacuse it's hapening in the desert tho hehe)
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from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:56 [#01100880]
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from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:56 [#01100881]
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2004-03-05 18:57 [#01100884]
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yes, that's Ben Afflecks brother right... I think I've seen something about that actually...
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2004-03-05 18:57 [#01100885]
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yeah, i wasn't really expecting it to be like tarkovsky... i was just trying to get a sense of how sparse the dialog is...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:57 [#01100886]
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from the ocean on 2004-03-05 18:59 [#01100889]
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just couple of words here and there...like if you'd spend a day with your friend and talk like 5 minutes in whole day...
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from the ocean on 2004-03-05 19:00 [#01100890]
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-03-05 19:00 [#01100891]
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The director of photography was savides. His work was great on "elephant" as well...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 19:01 [#01100893]
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elephant i have yet to see...is it as good as gerry?
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-03-05 19:03 [#01100896]
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I haven't seen gerry yet and probably won't. I liked elephant. It was a visual treat...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 19:07 [#01100899]
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visuals are what i love most about the film
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 19:31 [#01100913]
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haha from interview with van sant: "Q: There's one shot that sticks in my head in which Matt's in the distance at one end of the shot and Casey's at the other end of the shot, and they trudge for what seems like 10 minutes.
A: It's seven minutes. We shot 10 minutes, but we cut it short.
Q: How do you decide where to cut something like that?
A: Well, it used to be eight minutes. [Smiles an ironic smile.] But I thought maybe it was going on too long. I mean, seven minutes -- when you start talking in those lengths. There is a rhythm, but it's so elongated that it's more like an impressionistic rhythm. Other types of rhythm, when they're like under 20 seconds, it's more like a musical rhythm. We did a bunch of different takes of them walking and we chose one that we liked. We cut the beginning and the end off, mostly based on camera movement or placing. Then we had this eight-minute take that at some point I made seven minutes. "
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-03-05 19:33 [#01100916]
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I guess you are right but from what I have read here and there gerry has no flow in its visuals... it is basically static. Elephant was full of detail in its images but gerry is situated in a fucking desert!!! I don't know when I'm stuck watching or doing something too minimal my brain emits cancerous thoughts of killing sprees etc. One day I may loose control!!!!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 19:41 [#01100919]
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it's true, it's extremly static-that 7 minute scene of them walking one behind the other is static, but there are beautiful colours, and their slow walking goes great with music. it was much about colors, it was like images i imagine when i listen to some tunes by boc or casino vs. japan...
in case anyone want's to read the whole interview with van sant
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-03-05 19:48 [#01100923]
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B.O.C. is fucking pothead music and everyone who likes them sucks!!! :I am now grinning like a very evil cat:
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 19:52 [#01100926]
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i don't particulary like boc (people are giving me hard time cuz of that hehe) except when im stoned like now hehe - i LOVE them at times like this :)
but i really LIKE casino vs. japan
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-03-05 19:59 [#01100932]
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Hmmm maybe I should try to watch Gerry stoned...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 20:00 [#01100933]
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haha, i just read comment about the film by one of our critics; he sad it's probably best to see this movie under influence of hallucinogenous substances - maybe there's some connection with boc
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 20:02 [#01100936]
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some other comments:
like odyssey 2001 for x generation...
something for deadeight
like it was directed (a colanoration) by Michelangelo Antonioni, Theo Angelopoulos and Béla Tarr
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 20:06 [#01100937]
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Screen International:
"there are some of the most beautiful images in the american film in the last 20 years..."
The Village Voice:
"the most provocative film by gus van sant"
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-03-05 20:11 [#01100940]
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Boy I can't stand Angelopoulos although he is the only cinema export of this fucking country...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 20:13 [#01100941]
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you're greek?
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Doomed Puppy
from on and off and on and off and on 2004-03-05 20:15 [#01100942]
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Yep!
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2004-03-05 20:31 [#01100950]
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i saw this in the cinema and i thought it was excellent, very riveting and affecting. i think many people will see it and wonder "where's the movie?" uncommercial to say the least, but infused with slow rhythms rolling through vast landscapes. see it in the cinema, if you can. better to be immersed in the image.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-05 20:36 [#01100953]
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"many people will see it and wonder "where's the movie?"
im sure people who only watch hollywood production won't see this...so actually that mean not many ppl will see it :)
for real tho...i know what you mean those long scenes are perfect for thinking during film, you can totally take it any direction you want...you can actually analyze it during watching
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-03-05 20:46 [#01100955]
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this looks really cool, i'll have to remember to keep my eyes open for it.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-06 12:29 [#01101509]
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boc style...
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from the ocean on 2004-03-06 12:30 [#01101510]
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from the ocean on 2004-03-06 12:32 [#01101515]
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-03-06 15:45 [#01101635]
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looks like a very cool movie, is it available on dvd or is it just in theatres so far? id like to see this blazed outta my gord
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2004-03-06 16:41 [#01101677]
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i think when i saw it i thought "it would be really great to see that while incredibly high."
...as long as you maintain your focus and attention span, as there is almost no action and the film changes very slowly.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2004-03-06 16:41 [#01101678]
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sorry, to answer your question, it is now out on dvd.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-06 18:10 [#01101754]
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i shall try this sometime...im going to get that dvd. actually i wanted to get high before going to teather yesterday (as i read that review that said the same thing about best sing it while high), but i was runing late (they hold it up for couple of minutes cuz of me as it was hehe). but next time i see it it's definitely going to be under influence.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-06 18:10 [#01101756]
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sing=seeing
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-08-23 18:37 [#01312650]
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alright everyone...im going to watch this film tomorrow for the second time!
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hobbes
from age on 2004-08-23 18:39 [#01312651]
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i think i'll join you, though it'll be my first viewing.
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