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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:02 [#01096413]
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Ive always been into portishead, lamb, and bjork. ive been looking for others lately and found that Morcheeba is also really awesome stuff. any trip hop you care to share?
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-03-02 14:06 [#01096418]
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massive attack?
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:07 [#01096420]
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oh i forgot about that. i love them too :)
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:08 [#01096421]
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i just woke up, could someone fill me in? what is this character count thingy below the reply box
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-03-02 14:08 [#01096423]
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what is the definition of triphop?
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:09 [#01096424]
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well all i know is that portishead defined it. i think its a mix of electronica and jazz
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:09 [#01096425]
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turntables too
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-03-02 14:12 [#01096429]
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all that Mo´Wax stuff, that they were at such pains to say wasn't Trip Hop, DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, Sam Sever, UNKLE, Howie B. I may be wrong, though if they say it isn't Trip Hop it most definitely is.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-03-02 14:12 [#01096430]
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ok. the counter thingy is the amount of characters you have left to use in your post. It decreases as you write, as you might notice.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:15 [#01096431]
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lets give it a test shall we?
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2004-03-02 14:16 [#01096434]
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congrats ! give that boy a cookie
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:17 [#01096436]
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Uh Oh, the Petagon is trying to steal my computer, it seems ive cracked the code!
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:24 [#01096449]
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sorry
back to trip hop.
Dog_Belch : DJ shadow and UNKLE rule :)
um, Nightmares on Wax is good stuff too
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2004-03-02 14:33 [#01096461]
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i do like UNKLE, even if they are the Pink Floyd of trip-hop
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-02 14:45 [#01096473]
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its just another horrible made up media term. even more meaningless than idm.. everyone tagged with it seems to really resent it (from what ive read)
if you like portishead, massive, morcheeba, lamb etc. i suggest you try these for starters..
tricky | maxinquaye dj shadow | endtroducing | preemptive strike dj vadim unkle | psyence fiction kid koala | some of my best friends are djs cinematic orchestra | motion | everyday deejay punk roc | chickeneye rjd2 | deadringer mr scruff | keep it unreal
i cant say i love all of these records equally. but theyre in the area you seem to be looking, so theyre worth checking out.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-02 14:47 [#01096479]
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yeah.. nightmares on wax is good too.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 14:51 [#01096489]
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THANKS!
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-02 15:05 [#01096511]
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no worries.. forgot to mention dj food and coldcut.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-02 15:22 [#01096523]
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bonobo buck 65 dj krush dj cam
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 15:23 [#01096524]
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buck 65 is odd as fuck
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-02 15:31 [#01096529]
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haha.. i think thats the point. he's not setting out to make straightforward hip hop.
i've heard a few good tracks though.
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-03-02 18:15 [#01096690]
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yeah, definately check out cinematic orchestra and rjd2 though i wouldn't really classify either as trip hop.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2004-03-02 18:20 [#01096695]
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i don't know if these guys count, but check out Beta Bodega and Botanica del Jibaro.
(Beta Bodega is where Prefuse73 started out)
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maxx_damage
from La Paz (Bolivia) on 2004-03-02 18:23 [#01096699]
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There is a Tricky project from 1996 called Nearly god, one of the best albums i ever heard, with Bjork, Neneh Cherry and Del Naja from the Massive. Awsome stuff
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-02 18:26 [#01096700]
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not much jazz in massive attack and portishead imo...
i like those you named, but it looks like everyone forgot about kid loco - he is one of my favourite trip hop artists!!!
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-02 18:47 [#01096731]
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that one with bjork sucks, the music is so boring and it loops like shit.
the rest of the album tho.. WOW
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-02 18:51 [#01096738]
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yes, it's nice album...but i think you're mistaken del naja with someone else.
i like most of the tracks on this album.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-03 08:15 [#01097200]
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aaah yes.. kid loco
dozier | i already said what i thought about "trip hop" as a term. i know that cinematic orchestra is more jazz oriented + that rjd2 is largely more upbeat than some of the other artists listed.. in fact, deejay punk roc's record references the 80s electro records + is much more upbeat than shadow or vadim.. but they all share common ground + explore different avenues of the jazz/breaks sound.
it would be a bit pointless listing artists who sound like massive, portishead etc - as they are generally seen as the creme de la creme in their fields. no point listening to bad impersonators.
i prefer to see music as a matrix where you can access all kinds of different styles/sounds by starting with one album/track/artist. if that makes sense..?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-03-03 09:38 [#01097299]
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Yep, if a group make a big thing about not being seen as being trip hop, they probably are...
(Pidgeon holeing is so conveniant ;-)
Some trip hop groups I like:
Nightmares on Wax Portishead Massive Attack Sneaker Pimps RJD2 U.N.K.L.E. Morcheeba
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-03 09:44 [#01097301]
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh i remember sneaker pimps..
their first record had some alright tunes on it. i remember EVERY girl i knew that wasn't listening to nasty chart music at the time bought that album when it came out. my ex girlfriend had it and, funnily enough, my current girlfriend has it too.
they were very talked about for a while. the singer left though didnt she? just leaving the 2 fellers to do the "difficult" followup album alone. seems as though it wasnt up to par.
i have a 12" of 'post-modern sleaze' with a reprazent remix on it.. its really disappointing though - theres absolutely no low end in the track at all. sounds really flimsy if you try + mix it up with other drum&bass tunes.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-03 09:46 [#01097306]
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am i right in thinking theres a big blurb about what a bullshit term "trip hop" is on the sleeve notes for n.o.w.'s 'smokers delight'?
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mashnote
from mol (Belgium) on 2004-03-03 09:49 [#01097308]
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ilya link bee & flower link
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-03-03 13:03 [#01097664]
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definitly check out Tricky- Black Coffee ppl 1981 characters left
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Dozier
from United States on 2004-03-03 18:25 [#01097975]
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certainly makes sense. i reread your post and i see what you were getting at now.
man, i love that first sneaker pimp's album. lot of memories there and even now most of the tracks still seem solid to me.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-03-03 18:47 [#01097991]
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Yes there is, lots of them do it- sneaker pimps refer to it as tr*p hop on one, as if it's a dirty word (even surer way of ensuring they're pidgeon holed together, eh?)- on smokers delight it says "hip hop is hip hop"... That's true- however, N.O.W. is trip hop :P. If it's instrumental hip hop, or the vocals are definately a background element (think early sneaker pimps) or are sung in a soft manner, it's trip hop as far as I'm concerned. Another quality I'd cite would be that it's not aggressive or edgey at all- almost "soft".
I don't get why being pidgeon holed gets people's backs up so much, sure, there are some tracks/artists that do defy categorisation (or span so many genres it sounds stupid to name them: "glitch break tech house"), but they're few and far between. It happens in all categories of art and is largely for conveniance. Of course, all trip hop isn't the same, but it makes it easier for purposes of comparison/recommendation when talking to other people (be it in a review or face to face). It's a lot easier to describe portishead as sounding like "DJ shadow doing film scores with a female vocalist" or under the umbrella "trip hop" than to describe it without comparing it to any other artists or using genre names..
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-03-03 18:49 [#01097992]
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Check out "Bloodsport" - largely overlooked album with a bit of a rockier/dancier feel to it.
They've got a new album/dvd scheduled for this year.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-03 18:54 [#01097994]
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i agree. pidgeon-holing is an ugly necessity, but a necessity nonetheless - simply for convenience/speed. i just think a lot of the artists you mention contest the issue because (lets face it) 'trip hop' is a shitty term..
whichever hack chose to tar those artists with the same brush could have been a little more creative with his dictionary.
of course.. you could follow dj food's advice on the record sleeves, and file under 'funkjazztickle breakenology'
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-03-03 19:00 [#01098000]
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Granted it's a necessity for communicative purposes but it's hardly surprising individuals show disdain for such limiting nomenclature.
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-03 19:05 [#01098009]
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which is what i was saying earlier.. and have said before in other threads..
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2004-03-03 19:37 [#01098024]
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that was meant to Ceri.. 8 )
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-04 02:25 [#01098151]
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"Yet another in a long line of plastic placeholders to attach itself to one arm or another of the U.K. post-acid house dance scene's rapidly mutating experimental underground, Trip-Hop was coined by the English music press in an attempt to characterize a new style of downtempo, jazz-, funk-, and soul-inflected experimental breakbeat music which began to emerge around in 1993 in association with labels such as Mo'Wax, Ninja Tune, Cup of Tea, and Wall of Sound. Similar to (though largely vocal-less) American hip-hop in its use of sampled drum breaks, typically more experimental, and infused with a high index of ambient-leaning and apparently psychotropic atmospherics (hence "trip"), the term quickly caught on to describe everything from Portishead and Tricky, to DJ Shadow and U.N.K.L.E., to Coldcut, Wagon Christ, and Depth Charge ? much to the chagrin of many of these musicians, who saw their music largely as an extension of hip-hop proper, not a gimmicky offshoot. One of the first commercially significant hybrids of dance-based listening music to crossover to a more mainstream audience, trip-hop full-length releases routinely topped indie charts in the U.K. and, in artists such as Shadow, Tricky, Morcheeba, the Sneaker Pimps, and Massive Attack, account for a substantial portion of the first wave of "electronica" acts to reach Stateside audiences."
- Allmusic.com
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-04 04:01 [#01098177]
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so there we are then..
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hepburnenthorpe
from sydney (Australia) on 2004-03-04 04:04 [#01098183]
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bjork? where does she come into the trip hope equation?
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-04 04:09 [#01098189]
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good point..
i'd forgotten her name featured in gwely's opening gambit.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-04 04:55 [#01098214]
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probably the production by tricky...
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hepburnenthorpe
from sydney (Australia) on 2004-03-04 06:01 [#01098299]
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trip hope?
what the?
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