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offline uzim on 2004-01-26 05:56 [#01049105]
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are high frequencies (and by "high", i mean higher than
ventolin... piercing sounds!) very dangerous for your ears?
or is just loud listening volumes that can seriously damage
them? ' _ '


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-01-26 05:58 [#01049108]
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the only thing that can damage your ears are sudden bursts
of sound. if the sound is more or less constant, (almost)
nothing will be damaged. it won't hurt you to listen to
high-pitched sounds at a low volume, but don't do it too
much, as that will hurt your speakers.


 

offline uzim on 2004-01-26 06:07 [#01049116]
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ok.. thanks
(i'm listening on headphones btw =))

the reason why i'm asking is because my ears get a little
bit numb after the high-pitched sounds.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-01-26 06:11 [#01049119]
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so youre saying a fog horn, being held for 5 mins next to
your ear, wont do damage?

uzim: loud sounds, especially high frequencies, will
definately damage your ears. be careful with headphones


 

offline Clic on 2004-01-26 06:12 [#01049122]
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Yeah, I don't know where you're getting your info, Mastah,
but you're wrong.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-01-26 06:13 [#01049123]
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yeah, that's because there may be more frequencies than what
you bargained for. too high that you hear them, but they
still get processed in your brain. these frequencies will
just make you dizzy or numb. also: after listening to lots
of sound, your ears may get ringy for a while, but that
should stop after a while. just to make sure, take pauses
while making music. if you experience "dampened" sound, it
is your brain compensating for all the noise with some
quiet.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-01-26 06:14 [#01049125]
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the info came from some medical program on NRK1.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-01-26 06:14 [#01049126]
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huh?



 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2004-01-26 06:15 [#01049127]
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high frequesncys can damage your ears? id better cancel my
order for those HFO cds


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-01-26 06:21 [#01049132]
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NRK1(the main tv-channel) had a series of medical programs
about lots of different topics. one of them was about
damaged ears (tinnitus or something? or am i mixing?) and
musical artists who had their ears damaged. the reason they
had their ears damaged, were the drums. drums have short,
sharp sounds, and drumming without ear-protection will
damage your ears. high-pitched sine-waves, for example, will
not. why do you think they use them when they are testing
your hearing? it's not because they want to damage your
ears, at least...


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-01-26 06:27 [#01049139]
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but just to be safe, keep it at a low level. i've never
actually trusted doctors...


 

offline azatoth233 from tku (Finland) on 2004-01-26 06:31 [#01049143]
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listening to loud sound will damage your ears..whatever the
frequency is..


 

offline Clic on 2004-01-26 06:33 [#01049150]
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End of story.


 

offline uzim on 2004-01-26 06:34 [#01049155]
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hmm °_°

i asked my father who is a geriatrist about it, he said that
only loud sounds would damage, no matter how high-pitched it
is... another different advice

well anyway i'd better not take any risks and not listen to
it too often.
i'm not listening to it loud anyway.


 

offline Clic on 2004-01-26 06:35 [#01049156]
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The way you put it before made it sound like if someone were
to drop a baking pan in a concrete room, you'd sustain
damage. That doesn't happen.

And as for headphones, audiologists say that they're one of
the main causes tinnitus and noise-induced hearing loss.

Uzim: Just keep it at a reasonable volume, don't listen for
hours on end, and you should be fine. Ears are just
extremely delicate, unfortunately.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-01-26 06:37 [#01049157]
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then you should be okay, no matter what. we should all wear
protective gear when listening to music.

just think: first of all, it seems to influence our lives so
much that we are inclined to kill just because we listened
to it (bowling for columbine: marilyn manson).

second, it can damage your ears

third, it can make you have lots of sinful sex without being
married, and WITH protection, god forbid.

fourth, you'll eventually die.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2004-01-26 06:42 [#01049161]
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#4 is the kicker


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2004-01-26 06:42 [#01049163]
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...

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offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2004-01-26 09:20 [#01049331]
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High pitched industrial noise is more damaging than 'music'
of a comparable volume. The frequency doesn't matter, as
much as the timbre, or colour, call it what you will.
Basically the complexity can cause more damage, since high
pitched industrial sounds contain lots of high pitched
harmonics and partials, whereas a highpitched clean sine
tone of the same frequency, will only have the fundamental,
and perhaps a 2nd harmonic at a very low level, like -70 or
-80 dbc (decibels from carrier). The harmonically richer
industrial high pitched sound causes more damage to the ear,
but I don't know medically why, but I can guess its due to
excess resonance due to the higher frequency harmonics.
So i suppose there must be a frequency (possibly ultrasonic)
which will damage the eardrum the most, by resonance.


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-01-26 09:27 [#01049338]
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finding the resonance frequency of your eardrums would
deafen you almost immediately, considering when hearing
sounds how many times a second your eardrum is vibrating,
and with the resonance it increases each cycle.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2004-01-26 09:40 [#01049349]
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Yes, it would deafen you very quickly, so I don't recommend
you try it, if you do though, post the results of the
experiment, so some clever 'artist' can record it into their
new track.

Perhaps I didnt make it clear earlier, but harmonically rich
waveforms are square waves, triangle, and saw tooth etc. it
is clear that a sawtooth wave will cause more damage than a
sine wave, considering the eardrum movement will reflect the
waveform's shape. so a sine has a gentle transition, but a
square wave or triange has more sudden and therefore more
damaging transition, and industrial noise is full of sqaure,
saws and triangles, etc.


 

offline xlr from Boston (United States) on 2004-01-26 09:43 [#01049354]
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You can listen to a tone generator go all the way up past
what humans can hear. It gets higher and higher and
eventually just fades out...very cool. We hear less of the
higher frequencies as we age.


 


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