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... I've just done a fairly minimal repetative track, but one that I really like. It's finished as far as I'm concerned, however for the first time ever, I find myself tempted to change it to make it more "interesting" or complex (what I'm trying to say is, appear better to other people). I've never had this before and it's not a road I intend to go down... How do other people deal with this temptation? Perhaps you laugh at such thoughts and are pure in your creation of "art". Perhaps you don't- maybe you make 133bpm 4/4 kick drum beat house in your craving for acceptance of your music? Either way, we'd like to hear from you... (UK viewers may of noticed I sent up kilroy/trisha in that last bit but the message was a serious one) |
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it takes ages for me to finnish tracks... but I always to them the way I'd like to hear them (that's why it takes so long) or to try something out... do what you feel like. it's the final track that counts :) |
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I sometimes do want to make something more interesting, but more because I find it to be boring myself. |
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well, sometimes doing 2 versions is valid, if you feel there are virtues each posses in and of themselves... and of course, continuity is nice on an album, thematically. |
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i make whatever my heart desires. all of my MUSIC (that doesnt include tracks written for educational purposes) comes straight from emotions and thoughts i have - i never add anything for anyone else or take anythign away for reasons other then my own. i guess thats how i write noise tracks one day, piano sonatas the next, minimal/ambient ones later that week, and then a funky idm track that night. |
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Yes- the two version thing was something I was considering. I suppose my real problem is this- if you're going to make music you like less in order for it to be more popular, why not go the whole way and spend all your time making mindless commercial dance and at least maybe make some money out of it? I think artistic integrity is an absolute value- you either have it or you don't... |
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at this level there is absolutely no point in making music you don't completely like yourself. unless you really need the attention. |
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Yep, I agree. |
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The music that is exactly my taste is always made by someone else, but I can understand when you make a minimalistic track you would be tempted to add stuff. I wouldn't however, do it so other people won't be able to criticise it for being too simple. Good music doesn't have to be complex, although that does seem to be the general standard of thinking on this board. |
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I've never had the problem of wanting to make stuff that other people will accept because I have never had the problem of finishing a full track. However I have never felt the need to make stuff to get acceptance anyway as a lot of people who have listened to some of the shite I have posted will confirm :D |
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Ever think about something in your head, and you understand what you're thinking... however when you try to explain it to someone else they dont understand what you're thinking, so you have to go into greater detail and explain to make the image more vivid and detailed. |
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Yes...like these voices...they tell me what to do, but people don't understand. They think that I don't realise what they are thinking. But I do. They will all learn that i know what they are thinking. All of them will learn. |
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well, maybe you should try letting us know about these voices in hopes of understanding you. |
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When I was young my mother told me not to look into the sun... |
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So I beat the bitch to death with a hammer for telling me what to do and treating me like an idiot. I was two at the time. Will you be my friend? |
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sure, why not? |
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Ha ha, I watched Pi a couple of days ago :) X-tomatic: Yes, I suppose it's a case of not wanting it to be technically too simple as people will think I can't do anything more complex. Tempting to put some incredibly anal drum programming in there just to show off :P |
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The argument that stuff comes from YOUR emotions and YOUR ideas, so no one has any influence is bollocks. You can listen to a track someone wrote when they were sad and then feel sad. Someone writing a tune while sad may be influenced also by other sad tunes. There's no such thing as complete originality, we're just adding to an already intricately patterned tapestry. Some tracks I just rattle off in a few hours and never touch again, but the best ones I keep going back to and adding and subtracting. Sometimes I'll make different versions of the same track and then decide which is my favourite out of all of them. Basically I don't really pander to people's tastes, although occasionally I'll make a track for someone and try to keep it steady and decent so that they'll like it. But even then I'm pleased. As long as one person on earth likes it a lot I don't care. If I don't care about the track I'm making, I stop making it and junk it. I don't waste time with stuff that I don't find powerful in some way. At the end of the day, you'll always be proud of what you do and if you're not, then you might as well forget it. |
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One the subject of the track that caused me to make this thread, I have just mastered it and rendered it to wav. I started another version, but it ended up sounding like a poor cyclobotnia/mood bells rip off so I abandoned it. The original version stays :D Having slept on it, I think the best thing is to just make lots of tracks you like and just UL the ones you think other people will like as well. |
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Are we gonna get to hear this new track? |
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Hmm, okay, I'll post a link to it in here in a few minutes, but I'm not making a new thread about it as I don't really want to draw attention to it ;) |
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good good :D |
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Despite what I've said about not changing it, comments are welcome :) (well, someone couldn't wait- this was played within about 20 seconds of me ULing it!) |
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Hmm I like the track a lot, good pace and mood, but the audio quality is terrible. I think this has happened before with one of your tracks I have listened to. I don't know if it is the codec you use. The sort of pulsing synth is too loud over the top and it is running into every other sound and the whole thing sounds muggy...the phasing between channels seems too great as well. I honestly can't be specific about the track because it is difficult to make out what it going on in places. :P |
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Yes, I've changed to razorlame to help eliminate this problem, but there have been two or three track of mine recently that sound far worse in mp3 format. I don't know whether it's that I'm so much more familair with the .wav version so the mp3 version's flaws are particularly noticeable. The dodgy quality on the drums is due to a distortion effect I used though and is intentional. If suppose I could remove the distortion and key the drums up an octave so they'd be easier to hear against the synth... |
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No the pulsing synth is far too loud. You need to reduce that, seriously it is drowning out every other sound in the track. The drums could do with being a bit punchier as well. |
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Here's my crits: Arrangement: Almost none existing, seems more random than structured. To keep up interest (at least with me, and I'm very very picky about the pace in music) you'll need to really start thinking about arrangement, even if it's a minimal type track there should be a sense of structure - maybe not always but definatley with rythmic music. Sounds used/mix: Almost incompatible but not neccesarily. As many have pointed out the mix is askew. Try this: Whatever the program you're working with you'll probably have a mixer with faders, when you start to get a basic song idea pull all the faders to bottom and reset the eq's (eq's are optional). Now you should listen to something completely different, pink noise should be good (can be generated in Cool Edit). Find a level for the pink noise that is just right - not too quiet and not too high. Now kill the noise and start raising the channel you feel is most important for the song (drums, a melody, some chords...it's up to you). More to come in next post... |
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Don't overload the mixer (even a software one), try keeping stuff within that noise level that felt comfortable. Continue to raise the other channels. Try listening to them in solo and look for things that might interfere with other tracks. If you have a bassline with lots of sound in the 200-400hz range, try avoiding to put too much else there or it will sound muddy and resonant. Try to tone down resonant stuff in some instruments with eq - it often but not always balances up the whole mix with little stuff like that. Try to save different versions of the track with different mixersettings (I never do that myself but it's a good tip) so you can see if stuff really improves. Distortion can be nice on drums, especially with certain frequencies peaked, but the effect you added did very little to enhance the drums, it made them more anonymous and limited in freq range. The distorted melodies seems to lie in the same frequency range as the drums, so what you end up with is a frequency curve that is full of stuff in the middle but nothing in the bass or treble - this is hard for the ears since they are most sensitive in that region. |
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Ta for the advice Joakim- I must admit I do tend to be a bit lazy with my EQIng, even if when I take time with instrument levels, reverb etc. |
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I hope you continue to make music for many years to come. Keep up the hard work. |
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*Smiles* Thank you :) I will keep at it... I've done it on an off for about 7 years now and solidly for the past 2. I've noticed a big improvement which is what keeps me at it. |
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ok, so why is it you suppose I can't ever get any page powered by "nubis" to load up? |
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What browser do you use? |
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I'm about to put up a track whereby I refused to compromise myself... it's called Antarctica Vs the World, and I'll upload it later today! |
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