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soon
from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-12-10 11:20 [#00985066]
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Why not follow these simple rules? (feel free to add more)
1. No more than one track a day. I mean i have seen individuals in the past that come here everyday and have intentions of sharing their entire archieve.
Sharing music you make isn't that bad of an idea. I love it when people share although i rarely comment. But it becomes overwhelming and a bit tedious when you get bombarded everyday by one guy.
2. Perhaps if you have this many tracks you are creating music too quickly. Yes with the software out there and plugins virtually anyone can create a song let alone an album in a day.
Great tracks aren't made that quickly. To actually produce something great it is going to take alot of time and work. But the payoff is that you will get more indepth feedback on that track you slaved on.
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soon
from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-12-10 11:21 [#00985070]
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Quality over Quanity!
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:24 [#00985074]
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perhaps you should just let people get in the practice, and enjoy getting feedback from their peers while theyre at it.
most of these people have acknowledged they are "in practice" right now, and not necessarily trying to get signed as of yet.
this is a time for alot of musicians on here much akin to college for a business major.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-10 11:26 [#00985078]
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If you're targeting me then be frank. All tracks that posted on here I've created ages ago and have spent days on if not sometimes a week or weeks.
As it happens people post their tracks to either get praise or criticism. They're not really interesting in no views because they might as well not post it in the first place.
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soon
from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-12-10 11:29 [#00985082]
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A point that i should have made clearer is that alot of threads tend to get ignored.
Promo is one i am going to use as an example. His "first track ever" thread got loads more feedback than his fourth one (which i am having problems with because virgins computer is ghetto).
Maybe if these were spaced out feedback would have came back more even.
Not trying to pick on any artists here but i thought that they would be good rules of thumb. This thread is supposed to be helpful to those artists that have a lot produced and some tracks go unheard.
Not to pick on you promo but you came to mind because Virgin had me listen to these! :) Good work mate!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:29 [#00985084]
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Tips on getting people to listen to your music:
Listen to theirs and comment. Give constructive criticism- don't just praise everything they do.
Don't post new tracks all the time- only put your best stuff
up or tracks which you genuinely want advice on.
Talk to people on the board and discuss other releases- if they know you, they'll be more inclined to listen.
Don't get shitty (not saying you have!) when people don't listen to it. If people stamp their foot and get genuinely arsey about people not listening to a track I won't download
it on principle. Same goes for people who bump their track many times in a comparatively short timespace.
Take criticism (even if it's worded unkindly) with good humour- if your thread turns into a flame war other people will be scared to comment.
Be patient- if you (fairly) consistantly make good music available, people will want to download all your new tracks.
It takes time for people to get to know your music... I didn't hear any of pennyworth's stuff till comparatively recently.
If no one is replying, check how many users are on, if there
are lots and your stuff is generally well recieved, they may
just be following the proverb, "if you haven't got anything
nice to say, don't say anything at all." If a track is truly
awful and there is nothing salvageable about it, I usually won't post about it.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-10 11:29 [#00985085]
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tibbar,
I create my tracks purely for pleasure, I have no intention or interest other than that. Of course it is very pleasurable playing your tracks to others and 'getting' their views.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 11:29 [#00985086]
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Chit meng!
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soon
from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-12-10 11:30 [#00985088]
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No i wasn't targeting anyone in particular! Honest!
If i were to do that i could have targeted oddio months ago :p
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:31 [#00985091]
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thats fine, promo...
i was talking about you.
i was speaking on behalf of myself and others.
if you didnt enjoy making music you wouldnt do it, so thats a given.
but im saying... alot of people are just trying to develop their talent: find their strengths and weakenesses, find their own voice with thinigs, try things they REALLY want to try out.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:32 [#00985093]
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correction: i WASNT talking about you
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:32 [#00985095]
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people should do what they like, it's a FREE MB and if they wanna post 10 tracks a day it's up to them.
i'm sure they realize that if they post a lot of tracks daily or whatnot most people will stop clicking.
MOST of us are adults here, and until Phobiazero says one track per day, people should do what they like.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-12-10 11:32 [#00985098]
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or you could be like oxygenfad and plant links to your music in just about every conceivable thread..
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 11:33 [#00985100]
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"Great tracks aren't made that quickly"
I made a song in 10 minutes that later went on to be played on national radio more then once. lol the Radio lady really liked it too : )
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 11:35 [#00985102]
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"or you could be like oxygenfad and plant links to your music
in just about every conceivable thread.."
Sure thing meng : )
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:35 [#00985103]
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and i agree with oxy: some of the tracks ive gotten the best response to were done in a single sitting or in a 24 hour period.
"study for a student film", for example.
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soon
from the moon and 2002-07-30 12:55 on 2003-12-10 11:36 [#00985104]
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i agree to a certain extent. But in all actuality when you start going on a spree people tend to over look some tracks.
I meant this post to be beneficial to everyone. Artists and the causial poster. I guess this thread will most likely take a turn for the worse.
Bear in mind that i had the best of intentions though!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-12-10 11:36 [#00985105]
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yeah you can't say that working long or short is better - it depends on the person and the circumstances.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:37 [#00985106]
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i also agree with you spoon, in that respect: i KNOW ive posted songs and ive seen others post songs... and NO ONE even listened to them.
but then you have threads like "od = trent reznor" that flourish like wildfire.
go figure.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-10 11:37 [#00985107]
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Yeah I agree with LeCoeur. I guess my track was a pile of shit or something thats why no one has responded.
My first thread got mixed responses, the second thread the responses indicated that the first track was better and the third thread was pretty glowing all round. No one has responsed on my fourth yet so I guess thats that.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:38 [#00985110]
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no, yeah... inspiration and variable factors play LARGELY into that.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 11:40 [#00985113]
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Anyway mengs, I really think in the end its up to the Phobiazero. And so far he really doesn't seem to care ...
Or does he?
*Cue Imperial march
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-10 11:40 [#00985114]
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I'd like to say that I do try and listen to everything on the board and always voice an opinion, mostly positive as it happens.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 11:42 [#00985120]
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Promo I like your chit meng!
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naaic
from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-12-10 11:43 [#00985122]
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wtf is a meng? you crazy canucks come up with some wierd shit.
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-10 11:44 [#00985123]
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You do, oh cheers matey. I'm blushing now. :D
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-10 11:46 [#00985125]
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What is canucks? Lol.
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:46 [#00985127]
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it's up to each individual on what they will take the time to download, etc....for me with dial up i have to make real decisions because it takes a while ...
but truthfully i support musicians i like as people / or 'internet personalities' otherwise i really won't d/l no matter if people think the person is the second coming of APHEX! ha
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 11:47 [#00985128]
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meng (meh-ANG): "Man" refer to the bad guy RAZOR RAMON.
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naaic
from Uppsala (Sweden) on 2003-12-10 11:48 [#00985129]
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canucks=canadians :)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:48 [#00985130]
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Yes- just to clarify all my suggestions were just that- not rules!
If you follow them more people will listen to your stuff, if you don't, don't complain when you only get one or two responses per track :)
Although, on the subject of 10 tracks a day (not directed at promo), it'd probably be best to put all them in one thread...
On a personal note, one of my best tracks was done as the third in one day. I just made a point of ULing them over a period of days :)
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:57 [#00985139]
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ceri: LOVE the new avatar!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-12-10 11:58 [#00985142]
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It's made from the same series of pics as the old leaping one- me jumping off sand dunes photoshopped to look like a christmas angel falling to earth from good old st. Nick's sleigh. :)
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 11:58 [#00985145]
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" i really won't d/l no matter if people think the person is the second coming of APHEX! ha"
Yeah meng it's a big sweet n' eleet social ladder here in the first place.
Who would of thought that spending 100-200 hours on a song could all be avoided just by kissing the right nerds ass.
In the end I will download most peoples tracks because they worked hard on them. If your not into that good for you meng.
To me there is nothing cooler then following an artist over time and watching their tracks grow and get better and better.
DSL and 56k do play a huge roll in this. I'd hate to take 40 minutes of someones time on one mp3.
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 12:01 [#00985149]
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I'm always up for checking out peoples songs, if you want to email me your music links go nuts, I have a huge list of URLs I check out weekly : )
IDM, rock, punk, whatever mp3will@hotmail.com
CHEERS
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-12-10 12:05 [#00985154]
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There's a big difference between people kissing ass here to get people to listen to their track and the common courtesy of at least interacting with other people. Unless you're damned good (and so far, no one who has done this has been IMO), coming here just to spam your tracks is a bit lame... you can sign up to 100 electronic boards and post links to all your tracks on each one, but should people listen?
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-12-10 12:44 [#00985213]
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Well I think that can be part of the problem. Sometimes people just don't know whether they are good or not. They don't have a decent barometer thats why they asked people on the board I reckon. I only getting fairly biased opinion often from close friends/family whatever and although I believe they're being frank; you come on to this board and get most of the time unbiased opinion.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-12-10 13:16 [#00985287]
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unfortunately i think "guidelines" for members with bad habits are mostly useless; it's like telling someone with no manners to "show some manners."
however, if you genuinely want feedback about your tracks, sharing fewer tracks will probably mean more listens per track.
some people post too many tracks, some people are too hesitant to let people hear their tunes.
i suppose i'd rather sift through a group of "listen to my track" threads than read about what somebody likes to eat for breakfast, or any of the other mundane topics.
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-12-10 19:05 [#00985844]
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just my opinion...
this is why im here in the first place: (1) friends and (2) my and/or their music.
other than that, it only takes on post in one thread to tell me what the new ae album title and date are.
so what else is there?
why don't we discuss how much we love and/or hate confield for the 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999th time?
because there's more going on with individual members and THEIR art to talk about than there is with rdj or ae.
the physics of art and music... the mechanics, the soul of the art.
those who create understand the creations of others.
those who share creation are true friends.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-12-10 20:00 [#00985935]
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so true. I do spend a lot of time on my tracks, and I've spanned it out over a 2 month period at some points. The results are worth it.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2003-12-10 21:16 [#00985989]
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KRELIAN Irritum Acceptus
1. Moenia Custos 5:01 2. Mephisto Phelian 6:17 3. Singultus 2:18 4. Silva Phasmatis 10:21 5. ve Getus Gens 6:50 6. Pessum Profundum 4:13 7. Lacunaer 7:15 8. Vis ma Jor 7:11
Total Time : 49:34
the cd speaks "buuuuyyyy mmeeeee"
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2003-12-10 21:44 [#00986008]
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first person to email me their shipping address will get a free copy :)
christ it sure is hard to promote yourself without a label....
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2003-12-10 21:49 [#00986015]
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I've only posted 7 tracks (or less) on this board out of my 1000 some post. I don't think thats bad.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-12-10 21:55 [#00986024]
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oh yeah sorry I'm a little guilty of posting tooi many tracks, from now on I might wait until I have a few up and create a thread with a few links in it to a few tracks rather thana thrread for each one. I WAS doing that for a while - can't remember why I've stoipped.
Thanks and sorry!
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kochlear
from aud-stim.com on 2003-12-10 21:59 [#00986025]
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i clicked on the song names but i couldn't hear them.
and music doesn't belong here. don't you hear the voice sample at the beginning of vibes? "xltronic.com your resource for excellent what i ate for breakfast i hate vsnares make a new album rdj stop 'spamming' your music threads"
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kochlear
from aud-stim.com on 2003-12-10 22:00 [#00986028]
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we could also have a monthly thread for each artist.
like i would make "earvalve december 2003" a thread and just post a link in it every time i make a song in december. it'd be alot easier to track my favorite artists too.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-12-10 22:00 [#00986029]
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yep, i hear it clear as day.
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od_step_cloak
from Pleth (Australia) on 2003-12-10 22:05 [#00986033]
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kichlear - the month thing is a wicked idea. Or maybe just a single thread for each artist? But then it'd get messy - ppl wouldn't be able to tell if there's a new track at the end of the thread of just a new reply as easily... hmm... nice idea though
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Clic
on 2003-12-10 22:09 [#00986036]
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I'm on a 56k but I try to listen as much as I can. I have my regulars that I always d/l.
In all honesty though, a lot of the people here just aren't making music that is interesting to me.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2003-12-10 22:13 [#00986039]
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do you enjoy ambience clic?
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