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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-12-08 19:51 [#00982579]
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 yo yo yo
  Just about every album on that list sounds entrancing from  the way they describe it - the only one I've heard on there  is The Books and it's great... anyone heard any of the  others? 
 
  
         
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           happy cycling
             on 2003-12-08 19:56 [#00982584]
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FUCK PITCHFORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  
         
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           DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-12-08 19:57 [#00982585]
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yes, that is correct... despite the fact that pitchfork is,  in the opinion of a lot of people on this board, clearly run  by retards who don't know what the fuck they are talking  about... the majority of the recommendations on that list  are quite good... and come year-end when they release that  list... there will be lots of great stuff there as well...  
 
  
         
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           fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-12-08 20:16 [#00982612]
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Pitchfork has an indie bias. They will recognize fine  distinctions in flavors of indie that we might see as  generic manic-depressive midwestern anti musician  caterwauling. 
 
  And conversely since they are not as electronically  perspicacious they sometimes miss the merits of an  electronic release, leaving the true believers miffed. 
 
  
         
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           DeadEight
             from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-12-08 20:30 [#00982631]
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i won't argue any of that (my relationshop with the site is  definitely love-hate... more hate lately)... but they are  getting better about their biases... just compare the new  version of their top 100 of 1990's with their old  version.... a world of difference... but when it comes to  picking out some of the finest releases in rock and  hip-hop... pitchfork is on the mark as often as any of the  other decent publications i can think of... sometimes  better... as for the electronic end of things: Mark  Richardson is still one of the best electronic critics in  the business... 
 
  
         
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           BlatantEcho
             from All over (United States) on 2003-12-08 20:32 [#00982632]
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what happy cycling said
 
  
         
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           zaphod
             from the metaverse on 2003-12-08 20:44 [#00982643]
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despite my overall hate of the trend following idiots who  write for pitchfork, i actually like this list. 
 
  
         
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           zaphod
             from the metaverse on 2003-12-08 20:45 [#00982645]
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and i've heard the basement jaxx and mu albums, neither of  which was bad. in fact, they were both pretty good. 
 
  
         
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           disasemble
             from United States on 2003-12-08 20:46 [#00982646]
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there are idiots in every publication. pitchfork is no worse  than any others ive read. all this pitchfork bashing is  silly to me. might as well bash every site that reviews  albums.
 
  granted, some things pitchfork have done i dont like, but  some things other reviewers have done i dont like either. i  agree with pitchfork on some ocasions, and sometimes i dont.  LIKE ANY OTHER.
 
  yeah a number of those recommendations are cool. why?'s  album i like especially. 
 
  
         
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           theo himself
             from +- on 2003-12-08 20:51 [#00982652]
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pitchfork is pretty on point for a lot of things.. I know  that their forced 'one-step-ahead' attitude towards all  artists and movements is a bit annoying, and causes good  albums to get bad reviews and average albums to get  sky-written praises.. it all depends on how many people are  listening at the time the review was written.. this is  pretty evident in a lot of their year-end wrapup things when  they say things like "maybe giving this album a 10.0 was a  bit much, but...".. and with hiphop they're usually just a  tiny bit off .. not completely .. but they're just not the  best frame of reference for anything that isn't def jux or  relatively mainstream (they have an inexplicable missy  elliot affinity) .. but a lot of their reviews are witty and  pretty well written .. ...and, of course, incredibly  pretentious 
 
  
         
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           zaphod
             from the metaverse on 2003-12-08 21:17 [#00982681]
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they're kid a review was ridiculous. i do agree though, they get alot of shit and aren't that  much worse than other magazines, plus, atleast they bother  to review "underground" music. 
 
  
         
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           zaphod
             from the metaverse on 2003-12-08 21:17 [#00982682]
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"they're" = their
 
  
         
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