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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-11-30 10:52 [#00971448]
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Ive been having a lot of trouble sleeping lately, its not Insomnia because when I do get to sleep ill sleep for quite a while and if Im interuppted ill fall asleep like my life depended on it.
But in the last 2 months or so its been getting worse, ill get home lets say on an average of about 4:30am and end up staying up till 6, and then it turned out to be 7 and then 8 and so on... until now its 10:49am while im writing this and I feel as if I could maybe sleep in 30 minutes or something.
When it gets to be this early and I havent slept, the light starts coming in my room through the blinds in the basement and I get a really strong feeling of frustration that makes me really antsy so it makes trying to sleep even worse. I dunno its really weird because once it gets to that point I start finding things to make me stay awake pretty much, like Ill read or listen to music and it just gets worse. Ive tried staying up all the next day, which never fucking works because when Im sleep deprived I feel sick and really out of it. And Ive tried waking up early, only to find that most of the time ill turn my alarm off and go back to sleep without even knowing it until I wake up 8 hours too late or something. WTF!?
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-11-30 10:54 [#00971449]
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Valium is the answer!
Errrrm, seriously though...
What is on your mind at the moment?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-11-30 10:57 [#00971452]
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I've been sleeping far too much recently. I got into the bad habit of sleeping 8 hours (I know that's what your meant to have, but I used to function fine on 6) a day over the summer.
If you have difficulty sleeping, do some very tiring, but not intense exercise- I recommend either swimming or hiking. You're unlikely to sustain injury (if only muscle damage) that will keep you awake, but will wear yourself out. Seriously, there is no way you can stay awake the night after a 2 hour plus swim :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-30 10:57 [#00971455]
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insomnia comes in many forms.
one form is where you can't feel asleep, but sleep well when you do. anothe form is always waking up too early, being still tired. etc.
so you do have insomnia.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-11-30 10:57 [#00971456]
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Ello Skink :)
You moved up to Scotland yet?
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-11-30 10:59 [#00971459]
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No i'm moving up on thursday.
I am at my folks house and it's weird.
: /
On the subject i'm not sleeping amazingky well either, mind you it goes with the teritory!
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-11-30 11:00 [#00971461]
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Ceri: yeah i was thinking about excercise actually to help it out, I already lift weights but I was thinking of doing more active stuff as well.
qrter: hmm you think? If so drugs are not really my answer for this kinda thing, I have a melatonin sitting by my bed.. I guess I could eat that and see what happens.. ha.. .although its totally not a drug.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-30 11:04 [#00971470]
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I have had trouble getting to sleep all my life.
and I easily switch routines if I don't look out - I'll be up all night and sleep overday.
it is also possible that your internal clock counts 25 hours as a day - so your schedules shift.. and shift..
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-11-30 11:06 [#00971474]
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hmm I think your right about my schedule yes... indeed that seems to be it.. I cant seem to get it to shift where I need it to.. argh! its frustrating as hell.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-11-30 11:08 [#00971481]
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I find myself with the same problem, you know just shifting really easily into a crap sleeping pattern. This is why i have had no sleep recently.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-11-30 11:09 [#00971484]
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I find that with more intense exercise like weights, your muscles tend to give out before you're really tired (as in wanting to sleep)- doing a more gentle exercise for a longer period of time is what really tires me out.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-11-30 11:11 [#00971491]
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I often find that taking walks is really good for this, if you live somewhere fairly hilly then i really do recommend it!
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-11-30 11:12 [#00971494]
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Ceri; yeah thats why I like going sledding or for walks and stuff. defenitly a great idea thanks.
Skink: the area i live in is not that hilly.... if I wanted to go for a nice walk id have to go for a drive first.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2003-11-30 11:17 [#00971502]
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Well to be honest i recommend it anyway, it is what i did during the summer as i suffered from really bad insomnia then and walking really helped me anyway. The only only reason why i was thinking of hilly was because where i am at the moment is very hilly.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2003-11-30 11:29 [#00971518]
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Reflex, do you have a job or go to school?
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spoonz
from Edmonton, AB (Canada) on 2003-11-30 11:34 [#00971521]
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i recently found out my sleeping troubles were because of the shit pillows i had. got some new ones, and now i'm sleeping like a baby :P
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-11-30 13:20 [#00971625]
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I'm not a big sleeperr rreally, but when I do nod off I sleep like a log. I have no answerrs forr you REFLEX but I don't mind it perrsonally. I'm used to it.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-11-30 13:22 [#00971627]
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Therre arre arround 64 forrms of insomnia btw.
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happy cycling
from berlin on 2003-11-30 13:27 [#00971634]
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i had similar problems (mostly due to anxiety) and got lorazepan (same family of drugs as valium) and it helped a LOT. it's something you can take for a short period of time without worrying too much about dependancy or long-term effects.
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deepspace9mm
from filth on 2003-11-30 14:04 [#00971669]
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I know valerian capsules help some people, but they smell fucking awful. Don't taste of anything though, apparently. If I can't sleep, alcohol usually solves that little problem.
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nlogax
from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-11-30 17:14 [#00971843]
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make up your own phrase, and repeat it until you mix up the words.
I use: I am not tired, I need to stay awake.
It actually works, believe it or not. I sort of "sing" it inside of me, and repeat it non-stop until it gets really complicated to say the phrase without fucking it up.
don't start taking sleeping pills, that's unhealthy, unnatural sleep and it'll only make you more of a zombie.
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danbrusca
from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-11-30 17:17 [#00971844]
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Two things that work for me:
1. Trying to keep your eyes wide open.
2. Masturbation
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2003-11-30 17:23 [#00971846]
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I suggest you get drunk, sleep is no problem when you are drunk...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-30 17:46 [#00971878]
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again, bad idea.
one of the effects of the alcohol is that it's a very superficial sleep - you'll not enter REM sleep, which is the most envigourating part of the sleep-cycle.
so again, it'll zombify you.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-11-30 18:14 [#00971895]
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I have trouble sleeping every day/night since i can remember. I have learned to live with it. Sometimes it is due to too much energy, sometimes it is because your mind is so active and you can't turn it off.
A good tip someone once gave me is to use a very slow, tired voice in your head whenever you think anything to yourself. If you can keep this up for a few minutes then it can sometimes do the trick.
Alcohol does work but you will wake up feeling a little shit or worse depending on how much you drink.
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2003-12-01 08:32 [#00972369]
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Jazembo: woah,,, see you hit the nail on the head there I think, because thats exaclty how i feel... like my brain is too busy I just cant seem to shut it down properly or something.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2003-12-01 09:06 [#00972394]
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I have problems getting to sleep when my mind starts playing music. It's very hard to stop the music and it's extremely frustrating when you really want to get to sleep. I find that if you watch 15-30 mins of TV before you try and get to sleep it helps.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2003-12-01 09:07 [#00972395]
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Heavyweight boxing is the answer!
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-12-01 09:15 [#00972403]
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What I normally do is keep a notepad or something next to by bed and when my mind seems too active i just write down any thoughts that come into my head. Kind of like a diary, sometimes it is nonsense, sometimes it is fantasy things like how would i spend 100,000,000,000 pounds, or how would i design my dream vehicle.
It seems to help me anyway, i find there is no point just lying there, listening to music, waiting to sleep when i know is could be hours before it comes. Hope this helps you.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-12-01 09:25 [#00972418]
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i dont have any troubles with my sleep here's my sleeping schedule of the past few days: saturday:7.30am - 5pm sunday:6am - 2.30pm monday:4.30am-9am
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-12-01 17:52 [#00973151]
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yawn, just woken up after 3 hours of sleep form 22:00 - 01:00. I expect i'll get more later in the day...
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2003-12-01 17:54 [#00973154]
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Without clocks or sunlight ques (like if you went into a cave with no way to keep track of time)
humans conform to a 25 hour cycle. Mars is closer to a 25 hour day than earth, so maybe you should move.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-12-01 18:00 [#00973158]
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is that right?
i don't think i am suited to any cycle at the moment.
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-V-
from Ensenada Drive on 2003-12-01 18:30 [#00973189]
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When I sleep, I usually wake up several times an hour for pretty much no reason at all and then fall back to sleep. It increases towards the morning until I wake up every 5 minutes or end up slipping in and out of sleep constantly. It's not very pleasant but it's the only way I feel rested in the morning and I end up having an enormous amount of dreams so I suppose that's nice. I also wake up screaming a lot... which probably isn't very healthy and probably annoys the people in the other rooms. Yep...
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-12-01 18:32 [#00973192]
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Dreaming is great, i wish i had more dreams or could remember having them. Are there noises in your room that might be waking you up? I have no idea about the screaming other than its sometimes caused by nightmares.
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-V-
from Ensenada Drive on 2003-12-01 18:40 [#00973201]
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Oh, no... no noises in the room. I've slept semi-regularly in at least 4 different places and it's always the same and it's always been for as long as I can remember. For some reason I feel like I'm making myself wake up... always feel like I should be awake to turn off the alarm a moment before it actually goes off so I keep waking up so I don't miss it. The screaming is from nightmares or just strange things I dream about. I find it's an effective way to pull myself out of the dream when it gets uncomfortable - I always have complete control of my actions in dreams.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-12-01 18:46 [#00973208]
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Cool, so you know in the dream that it is a dream? I think that is called lucid dreaming right? someone posted a topic about it this last week sometime. I have always wanted to do that but so far have never managed it, in my dreams i just accept what goes on no matter how weird, one time i had a dream that myself and everyone i have ever known all died in a fireball when a meteor collided with Earth. About 30 seconds later we were all walking around again discussing what just happened.
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-V-
from Ensenada Drive on 2003-12-01 19:02 [#00973237]
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About 99% of the time I can tell. The other 1% of the time deals with those dreams where I dream I wake up from a dream - those are hard to catch, though when I wake up for real the feeling is so different I feel it should be obvious... reality is so much sharper and colder and harder that a dream is - I think the feeling of dreaming is comparable to having your head wrapped in some sort of thin cloth, if that makes any sense... though recently (past few months) I think the cloth has been there even while I'm awake and it's getting thicker - it's a little disorienting or something. I think the greatest dreams of all are the sharp, cold dreams that are hard to tell from reality... the dreams where your footsteps sound a little too crisp and the feeling is a little to sharp to be a dream, but in the end it is. Those are the dreams I wish for, but they're rare.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-12-01 19:06 [#00973243]
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Yeh, i know what you mean about the cloth, actaull that is a great way to put it, thanks :)
Can't say i have ever had one dream inside another but it must be a little weird when finally do wake up. Do you find that almost as soon as you wake up you start to forget what the dream was about, and by the end of the day you can hardly remember a single detail, no matter how good the dream was.
Do you take any sort of sleeping medication just out of interest?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-12-01 19:09 [#00973248]
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good night everyone...im gonna go lie down now
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-V-
from Ensenada Drive on 2003-12-01 19:15 [#00973258]
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As soon as I wake up I remember the dream pretty vividly - enough to write it all down if I felt like doing that sort of thing, but it happens so often that I'd never get to sleep much if I did. After I go back to sleep and wake up in the morning the dreams are mostly gone unless one was a particularly interesting and impressionable dream, then it stays. Sometimes random things will happen during the day that will trigger me to vividly remember a dream, though I can never remember exactly when I had it - that's always nice.
And I take no medications at all.
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Jazembo
from The Earth ball on 2003-12-01 19:16 [#00973262]
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good night tolstoyed, don't let the bed bugs bite!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-12-04 09:48 [#00977001]
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im so tired right now, i could sleep standing up...i think im gonna have a quick nap when i get home
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