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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2003-11-29 11:35 [#00970070]
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heres what i get out of the movie:
1. Teddy uses Leonard to get the money from Jimmy
2. Natalie uses Leonard to get Teddy to avenge Jimmy's death
3. Leonards wife gets killed and raped by 2 crooks. one gets killed the other eventually gets caught afterwards by Leonard and Teddy.
4. Afterwards Teddy uses Leonards mental illness to pin it on what i said in number 1
now i'm not definitely sure this is how its suppose to go, but this makes sense to me
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tibbar
from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2003-11-29 11:37 [#00970072]
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from what i remember, that sounds like about the tall and short of it.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-11-29 11:55 [#00970093]
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I thought Leonard killed his wife.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2003-11-29 11:57 [#00970099]
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my view: Leonard killed his wife. the "remember sammy jenkins" stuff? it's all leonard. his fractured memory has led him to create this "sammy jenkins" character, who in leonard's memory did what leonard actually did (killed his wife).
teddy uses leonard for all of his dirty work, the film only tells us of one job (killing jimmy) however i get the impression that this has been going on for a long time.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-29 12:07 [#00970115]
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but the killing by Sammy Jenkins was of a completely different order, then.
if I remember correctly, Sammy's wife used Sammy to be killed by him. there was no intention on the part of Sammy to do so.
the killing of Leonards wife looked a lot more violent, which would mean the killer would have to be more active than someone in Leonard's situation.
I believe he found the killer of his wife quite quickly and since then has been used by Jimmy to kill others.
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2003-11-29 12:09 [#00970118]
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i thought that was a bit odd too, and maybe he really had no control of his ailment. but then if thats true, that he created this whole sammy jenkins story to cover up the fact he killed his own wife.
then how did the crooks and the fact his wife got strangled and the police report got created. that doesnt make sense if he did kill his wife, no?
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spoonz
from Edmonton, AB (Canada) on 2003-11-29 12:11 [#00970119]
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i agree most with qrter's idea here.
good movie.
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Dozier
from United States on 2003-11-29 12:22 [#00970130]
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horsefactory's description is what i've always thought, too. but i'll have to watch the movie again to answer some of the questions brought up here about the police report, etc.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2003-11-29 12:36 [#00970146]
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qrter: sammy jenkins was not real. leonard killed his wife in the way that he imagined sammy to kill his.
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2003-11-29 12:49 [#00970157]
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i think that theory is weak, when they said that at the end of the film. i had a hard time swallowing that because of the creaton of the police report. i believe teddy just made him believe that so he hides the fact he's been using him for so long
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2003-11-29 12:52 [#00970160]
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where did that police report come from, how did he hurt his head... if you create sammy as a figment of his imagination you create more questions which divert from the story at hand.
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Eddy Wally
from leuven (Belgium) on 2003-11-29 13:04 [#00970165]
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can't get enought of this movie's brilliance
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Smyrma
from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:24 [#00970264]
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In the scene where Leonard is describing Sammy in the mental institution, there's a split second where Sammy's face is replaced by Leonard's. Sammy isn't real. Leonard = Sammy.
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tragedy
from Gloucester (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:28 [#00970272]
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i loved this movie... but it confused the shit out of me... even tho thats what it's supposed to do... so i dunno why i'm posting here...
fuck
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:30 [#00970275]
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tragedy.... with tha sexy avatar.... nice :)
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:31 [#00970277]
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BTW amazing movie !!! What was I doing again ? I was chasing this guy... or..... he's chasing me......
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tragedy
from Gloucester (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:32 [#00970281]
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yeah shes some hot suicide girl, i love them so much i bought an account, hahahha, i have tonnnsssss of these pics, mayb i'll chang it once a day, lol
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:34 [#00970289]
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Its true, you see Sammy sitting in the mental hospital, then when the doctor walks in front of sammy, sammy is replaced by Leonard sitting in the same chair. They only show him for about half a second then the scene cuts.
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:36 [#00970294]
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that was just when leonard was questioning himself..... it's all pretty self evident..... I thought it was easy to figure out...... now pls let me get back to trying to figure out "Lost Highway" for the 5th year in a row.....
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tragedy
from Gloucester (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:37 [#00970296]
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i still havn't seen twin peaks or eraserhead...
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:39 [#00970298]
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have a friend on SLSK with all of david lynch's work..... or I'd try Bittorent, or something for..... OOOOOHHH that's RIGHT NO AUDIO CARD ARGHHHH
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tragedy
from Gloucester (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:41 [#00970301]
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:------(
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:42 [#00970302]
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get your lazy ass frind on it, dammit.... or I WILL get you one
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tragedy
from Gloucester (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:46 [#00970308]
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have you found out anymore about the cover and shit?
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-29 14:49 [#00970310]
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I'll log on AIM so as not to hijack this really diserving thread anymore.... my apologies
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-29 14:52 [#00970313]
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yep, thats true, but that is no evidence. it can simply be Leonard identifying himself with Sammy.
it raises questions, but certainly does not answer any.
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big
from lsg on 2003-11-29 14:56 [#00970315]
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im to lazy for this stuff, but did figure it out the last time i saw it...
i bet you saw it on tv. it's 25 months, if im correct, after the release it can be shown, maybe that's a myth, but it pretty much works out though. in holland for most movies it's earlier because movies get out later. interesting?
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big
from lsg on 2003-11-29 14:57 [#00970316]
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20 months
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-29 15:06 [#00970328]
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no I saw it at the International Film Festival in Rotterdam, a few years ago.
Christopher Nolan was there to answer questions from us, the public, too.
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-29 15:10 [#00970333]
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and from us, the psychos, as well
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big
from lsg on 2003-11-29 15:14 [#00970338]
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haha, i posed the question to childrentalking actually: i was struck that suddenly two people started about it when generally talking aboutt movies. i figured out that the fact that it had been on tv two times the last two weeks, prolly had something to do with that.
interesting to know that it was on iffr though. after going there a few years i became ever more under the impression that the movies they showed there could be pretty crappy.
itchy the killer was sold out 2 years ago, that's funny
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rez
from here on 2003-11-29 15:34 [#00970380]
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i saw it 6 months ago...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-11-29 17:49 [#00970687]
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:)
I saw Requiem for a Dream there too. on my own. on a huge screen. without knowing ANYTHING about it. oh dear.
and this year I only saw "Twentyfour hour party people", which I loved. :)
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2003-11-29 18:11 [#00970703]
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lllllenny!
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ChildrenTalking
from United States on 2003-11-29 20:26 [#00970867]
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this is probably my favorite movie ever.
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Dozier
from United States on 2003-11-29 22:24 [#00971015]
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if leonard wasn't sammy then how do you explain the scenes of leonard giving his wife penicillin shots? just coincidence that both their wives had diabetes? or am i missing something?
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Aphexisatwin
from your mom's room (United States) on 2003-11-30 00:32 [#00971059]
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It's him remembering things that didn't happen..... C'mon.... this is algebra to me, people........
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big
from lsg on 2003-11-30 05:09 [#00971160]
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i was at requim for a dream too then! it was in cinerama and the place was packed: great atmosphere. that was a good night: i saw faust with some crazy ass faust quartet that improvised crazy music over it
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