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I personally completely expect IDM (crappy, popularised versions, of course, but still conceptually the same genre) to be quite popular in the next year or two; perhaps in the same way techno/trance/dance is. I was fucking amazed yesterday when I found out Amon Tobin is DJ'ing at a crappy annual rave here in Adelaide; you know, the kind where people dress up in fuzzy bright clothing, listen to cheesy repetative techno, and drop millions of pills. I mean, it's rad, I'm going because Amon rules, but I just find it really wierd that he's at something like that. Not just that either, but I'm starting to hear artists such as Future Sound Of London, Aphex Twin, even Autechre (!) on radio stations here. I mean, it's both a good thing, and a bad thing; I'm all for everybody actually liking decent music, believe me, but unfortunately when things get popularised, they also seem to slowly degrade to simpler forms of the original without half the meaning of what it once was. We'll probably see millions of Squarepusher/AFX/u-ziq ripoffs that sound terrible, but have some cheesy repetative element that popularises it. I'm probably ranting, though. Thoughts? |
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OH NO WE'RE NOT THE ELITE ANYMORE. |
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i couldn't give a fuck about being 'the elite', i just don't want to see idm going to shit. one thing i love about the 'genre' is that most releases are solid, and complete quality; immensly enjoyable. smaller, closely knit 'communities' tend to actually give a fuck about their work, and quality is the result; it goes for everything, not just music. |
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You're absolutely right. And if anyone has heard the new Outkast album, I wouldn't be surprised. As of now, I couldn't be happier because that means that more people will be exposed to this crazy electronic music instead of the same old boring MTV bullshit. But I may eat my own words because MTV will probably have thier own boring bullshit imitating aphex twin. However, we need to look at the positive aspects (unless you're a pessimist, then you can go fuck yourself) which consist of the fact that IDM is just a subcatagory of electronica, which encompasses any kind of music made with electronic equipment, which means I'm full of shit and there will probably be tons of bad IDM wannabe's saturating the market. :P |
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cool, agreed. good to see i'm not the only crazy one thinking this :-) |
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eh. i like hearing this stuff on the radio. s'why i listen to "brave new waves" on cbc radio every saturday (or is it friday? ....both? i can't remember all of a sudden). |
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amon tobin is playing at a similarly shitty club up in brisbane as well |
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amon tobin makes jungle. he does not make idm. and anyway idm is 90% awful, only really good sometimes behind someone's voice. |
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heh, quote of the day "OH NO WE'RE NOT THE ELITE ANYMORE." |
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i'd have said tobin is very idm-ish. traditional jungle ain't half as cool. |
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i wouldn't say jungle or idm :< anyhoo, i hope this means less car commercial music |
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Amon Tobin's coming to Adelaide? What, where, when? |
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Enchanted Forest, early next month links at some gay raver site, system6.doof.org used to be it but it went down |
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i warn you, the first links to a forum, filled with people in it that make you want to shoot yourself in the head long live xltronic |
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hehe. Cool, thanks. |
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haha, man, re-reading my posts makes me come across as being bitter towards ravers i'm not, i just don't understand the whole culture, it just seems awfully stupid.. but eh, their life |
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What, you're saying glowsticks aren't cool?? hehe |
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The problem I have with IDM getting popular is that in two years time people will say "Dude, are you still listening to that Autechre crap? They were dope like two years ago. You are so fucking out of touch. It's super ultra hard trance mania that is dope now." People are such fucking sheep. |
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amon tobin is excellent live, much better then the music he releases!!! ofcourse if he sees all people dressed up funnily it might make him play different shit, so that wouldnt be to great... last night i was at the doormouse gig (+some others) and there were like 30 people there, so that doesnt make it all that popular...also i was at this 3 day festival about two months ago in rome and there weren't that many people there as well and the line up was fantastic. now, i would love to see idm getting more popular just so i could see more gigs, but i dont really think its going to happen any time soon, not until they srart promoting them selves a whole lot more... |
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electronic music shouldnt become pop because the charts have always had the same shit format group of pubic boy/girls singing covers or songs written for then or the other side a half decent guitar band gone commercial if been like this for about 45 yrs now i cant see it changing much |
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I am really showing this music to lots of friends... so maybe in spain it will be popular some day hehe |
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its already popular in spain...see sonar! :) |
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i wouldnt worry too much kids.. the cyclical fads of what's popular at any one time never has much of an impact - not on the people who really care about that music & have been with it a long time. the same thing happened to drum&bass circa 95. everyone said it was the way forward, ads for diy stores started using d&b tracks, people said house was dead. people in the d&b scene panicked because they thought they were going to get overexposed. but in one interview shy fx said "this popularity won't last, because its not radiofriendly music - its club music, designed for mixing" sure enough, once the furore surrounding goldie's timeless lp & reprazent's new forms had died down, fickled music mags declared "the end of drum&bass".. just like they declared "the end of jungle" a few years earlier once guncrime gave the clubs & tunes a bad name. drum & bass didnt gain much attention again until marky & the whole brazilian sound came up a couple of years ago - & suddenly it was cool again. on public transport, most mobile ringtones were "shake ur body".. drum&bass had its moment in the sun. so did garage, so did trance.. but they all fell out of fashion doesnt mean its all over though - theyre all still going strong in their own way last i heard. most electronica just isnt user-friendly enough to become pop. anyone with an ear for melody couldnt complain about "alberto balsalm".. but play them "gantz graf" & suddenly it wont seem so hip anymore. another thing - a lot of people are up in arms about the darkness.. being into tongue-in-cheek big-hair rock will be fun for five minutes, but i dont see it spelling the end of the reams of hiphop, r&b & pop that fill the charts.. not for long anyway. |
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you're only 21. or 22. |
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who gives a fuck? overground, underground, wombling free... |
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im sorry, optimus prime.. whats your point exactly? |
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I really like jazz, hope it doesn't get too popular.... |
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"idm" owes everything to rave music and techno, and yes people on drugs dancing |
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no worries there |
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and the freeform elements of jazz |
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everyone said the same thing when ok computer came out |
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possibly the most influential form of music ever.. so they say (jazz, that is) |
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Phew, I had this nightmare vision of people telling me "aw man Thelonius Monk is so last year" |
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ok maybe not everything... but a lot |
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i'm so scared the music i like will go mainstream i don't talk about it to anyone anymore. fast & bulbous. |
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Too late, I saw octafish air freshener at the grocery store yesterday. |
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What would the 20th century be without Miles Davis towering over it like the spectre of cool... |
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As long as someone takes "Big Brovaz" out the picture, The Bug and Smojphace can do CDUK and TOTP as far as i'm concerned. That would be sick. |
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everyone said what when ok computer came out k-maty? |
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maybe if were older you'd understand. |
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maybe if you could write sentances that make sense, i would understand.. by the way, what exactly dont i understand.. gramps? |
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that idm would go mainstream...when thom yorke mentioned autechre as an influence |
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has anyone heared t. raumschmiere - monstertruckdriver?? its the beginning of the end |
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I wonder how many people have written to BWM asking what track that is in their new advert. |
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i agree totally d00d. |
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god radiohead are whining little shits (sorry... don't mind me) |
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its not surprising to me at all that amon tobin plays at raves...his music is mainstream-like...not experimental at all. |
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just because theres festivals like atp and sonar doesnt mean its popular...its just a festival for people who like that music...just like lollapalooza or ozzfest are for people who like that sort of music. just because a festival exists doesnt mean the music is necessarily popular |
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All I know is that people are pretty prescious about this music. For me a good track is a good track if I like it I like it, so a crap IDM track is just that. |
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