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so looking at aphex and ae i wondered wether the ability to write good melodies might decline with age because there's no such great melodies on confield as there were before and the great melodic tracks on drukqs vordhosbn and saint michaels mount just have 1 melody |
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I dont think its a matter of age and I think confield is very melodic |
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Nah...a good melody comes from within...if you lose the hunger to make music you invest less emotionally which in turn makes your melodies less evoketive. blah blah blah blah...hello... |
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I think people sometimes get melody and pretty bell like sounds(flute, strings, etc) confused. just my take, as I find melody in any well constructed piece of music |
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i think writing a good melody (or a moving beat, a beat that makes you move that is) is something magical i think the melody on pen expers is weak, while the drums, obviously kick ass. before ae seemed to write great, simple melodies so easily |
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yes the melody might be hard to find sometimes on ae. but i dig the melodies on latent quarter, for instance, a lot (and the way the melodies go over to the strings like in that song and on gaekwad) |
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i think they still do write great, simple melodies. depends on the listener of course. i could see where you are coming from, but the decision to try new things will definitely make people think they lost touch with what they used to do. its a natural progression to me, but i dont think they have gotten worse at it. they are just moving in different directions. its all there, just presented differently. |
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im just disappointed that i like(d, am only listening to peel II and envane over and over these days) pen expers that much, exept for that melody, it's just not original, and prolly therefor covered up by the volume turning :/ |
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big, I cannot post a decent reply, because your opening post was a load of shit. let me explain why: confield/draft and so on have awesome melodies, just not as obvious as ae's earlier stuff. the "great melodic" tracks on druqks are not vordhosbn and st michels mount; you seem to have disregarded every single piano track on the album. think of avril 14, nanou2, kesson daslef, etc. |
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big are you sure you aren't confusing emotive sounds with melodies? |
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wait... just because they arnt writing melodies anymore, doesnt mean that they cant, its cause they dont want to. if you havnt noticed, their music is now alot more "out there" and proper melodies wouldnt really fit with their music, in its current state. not because they cant, its just cause they choose not to |
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Are you insane? The melodies in pen expers are gorgeous. The fact that they're struggling and taking their dying breaths make them all the more moving. That song is like a doomed valiant band of soldiers making a last desperate stand, pinned down by gunfire and hoisting a tattered flag. |
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Speaking of nice melody lemme spam a track by a watmmer called cubensis, has a great melody that shows up about half way through. I've woken up humming this song. is like 22 so that kinda keeps to the topic ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/music/groups/enough_records/enrmp00 5_esquema_-_substanze_sekuenze/01_esquema_-_study_of_foreve r_changing_complex_systems.mp3 |
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i cant agree on ae but you are right on the drukqs piano tracks, horsefactory, but why not make such a more evolving melody on those two tracks, i think it's weakness: vordhosbn sucks more and more to the end, on saint micheals mount richard pulls out a loads of drums to keep it interesting. i understand there's other interesting stuff besides plain evolving melodies. furthermore i can believe ae and afx might be fed up with coming up with good melodies, zeus. emotive sounds are moving sounds?: than pen expers has a week emotive melody. any good melody can move me, like the melody that comes in in the 4d minute of the first quarter. |
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i only have the stricked rule to good melodies that they need to be original, and pen expers sounds like it might not be. the only thing i like about it is that really high sound in it |
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"pen expers sounds like it might not be original" ;skdf;dk |
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pen expers is incredible. I think of that melody like a partially heard conversation that your straining to make out, but you cant so you fill in the blanks. |
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how many times have you listened to confield in its entirety? what about draft 7.30? in fact, what about all the autechre albums? |
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quite much, say 40 times. to gantz graf about 38 times, though only the first track. i nowhere said i dont like it. confield is the only album ive listened to much, since i dont like incunabula and furthermore yet only have eps anywho: might it not be possible that writing good melodies is easier when youthful? |
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40 times is a lot.... but I think I ve listened to it hundreds of times |
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who cares. you want everyone to list how many times theyve listened to every album they have? |
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I need to know more artists... |
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ive seem to have lost my copy ive listened to it enough to make up my mind on the melodies. i always kinda get the feeling people are fooling themselves when they're talking about the subtle melodies on confield, but maybe i just dont get it.. |
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only the first track? check out cap IV, awesome melodies, and they arent hidden at all |
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i hate the melody on dial |
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er, no? what i was saying was related to what had been talked about in this tread previously - maybe you should actually read what's going on first before you bless us with one of your witless posts. |
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dobbin is the worst troll this board has ever seen |
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get anymore patronising that you i'd have to live up a tree |
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I heard everybody hates dobbin today. |
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what goes in, out, in, out and stinks of piss? horsefactory doing the hokey-cokey |
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got your vengeance up and running again, dobbin? |
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so i asked a question: ? |
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I'd say that Plaid for example focus more on melody than a lot of others on warp but then again I would be one to confuse emotive sounds with melodies. |
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so what's an emotive sound, strings or violin? in my 'can electronic sounds move like acoustic'-thread, i already answered no, so i cant have confused them |
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don't know about autechre, but I think afx has still got it... st. michels has that chilled out little girl humming that wonderful melodie (although, simple). Avril 14 is just one big wonderful melody, but the one thing that I never see talked about, perhaps because people don't know to look for it, is texture and timber. What sounds go together well and afx is a master at that. |
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its a matter of how much drugs youve used |
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It would certainly seem so. There are very few examples of me liking an artists post- 35 year old output compared to their vital work in their 20's... maybe that has more to do with lack of ideas than dwindling melodic ability though. Autechre are as good as ever though, they're still young 'uns. Although I never thought about it, eventually guys like Richard and AE and the like are going to get OLD... like Pete Townshend and Lou Reed. I wonder their work will sound like then... |
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i think melody is very important in a song (and rhytm of course in dance music, especially the 'intelligent' form), so can be placed in a texture well, but when the melody isnt good that doesnt make the song really much better. furthermore a good tembre for me is using interesting samples and that just is obliged for a good electronic musician to me |
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I think, if you make music all the time, a good melody should pop up once in a while... hence all the techno (thump-thump, beep, beep) songs that consist of lots of boom boom and at the centre, a small catchy tune... damn, I hate "pure" techno! |
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isnt the melody on acroyear2 the best? |
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I love how brittle that melody is. Not only do I love Autechre's melodies, I also love how they deliver and construct them. Although I have to admit I wish they'd do something resembling Amber again... something a bit more straightforward. I'd dance a jig of joy. |
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i still have to get a lot of ae, so i dont really mind about that now, and prolly will not in the future: enough is enough, and they have put out pretty much more normal sounding stuff i think it is just brave the way they put that simple, on first hearing stupid sounding melody over those cool percussion sounds in acroyear2 |
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I guess the older you get the stupider the notion that reliance on interplay of seven notes strung together over and over amounts to "creativity" gets. |
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it's true, though. Age does seem to deminish talent. Atleast with a lot of rock/pop artists. Maybe not classical. Maybe electronic is more similar to classical. Different side of the brain. |
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i think it might go especially for electronic and classic, everything which needs spontanious, good melodies to get concepts across. pop artists might benifit from wisdom through age. this is a bit generalizationly speeking, i dont really know pop/rock :) |
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yes, you are speaking very generalizationly. |
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im just talking about the melody, i do like pen expers furtermore: whatever |
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