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well i kinda just came from the record shop and put draft730 in my cd player and man i was kinda disappointed. where are the melodies we used to love in the old times of incunabula or the hiphoppy beats which so made my day when i bought envane and i think its more like confield mathematically but evolution wise its more like chiastic slide or anvil vapre - with the downward quality curve and those noisy sounding things you can barely hear or if i look at the album musically its mostly better than what i heard on gantz graf but if i liked confield (which i didn't like when i first bought it) i think this cd is lacking atmosphere (like anvil vapre or amber, although the latter had a lot of atmosphericity), and that the programming could be a lot better, the notes in the sequences sometimes sound a bit off, or is it the rythm? i think autechre did do a great job on the melodic content, but its not like chiastic slide compared to confield, its more like envane.. like when the melody IS good, but you can't get too deep in it, as in some certain pieces off Amber.. and where is the harmonic stuff like on incunabula? i think its kinds sucky that they gave away their music for the crinkling synths and revolving compressor knobs. but it's what i love their music for! gantz graf was a hard one to get into, feeling like ep7 after garbagemx, but it was MARVELLOUS, when i listened to it a few times (although im never going to listen to it again)... what do you think bout draft? ae is dead??? |
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there is a period key on your keyboard you know... |
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but its the same with nearly every Ae release : keep listening to it again and again, try listening to it in bed, u'll love it it just takes a while for ur ears to adjust to what ur hearing, uve been listening to 4/4 rhythms all ur life, so when something a little mental comes along it may take repeated listens to take it in!! i loved draft for a while... i find if i dont listen to it for a while, it takes me a while to get back into it again |
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maybe its just shit, and listening to it all the time makes you get used to it im not bashing ae here, i havent heared d7.30 yet.. |
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read my message carefully and tell me if you agree with my comparison points. |
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you just admitted that you took a few listens to get into gantz_graf, so give draft 7.30 the same treatment before you form such a strong opinion on it, make sure you listen to it LOUD too. |
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took 4 weeks for me |
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I always think Draft sounds half finished. The stuff that's there is fantastic, I can't fault the content. It's just that it feels too empty. Unlike all of their other stuff, which is both melodically and rhythmically interesting, most of Draft sounds like they did the rhythm tracks, began a few synthy bits then got bored and finished it. I'm not necessarily after the lush synthscapes of Amber and Garbage, because I love Confield, but just a little something to go with the beats would be nice. That said, I do really like the CD, but I just can never get through the whole thing. |
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evolution, i think their music is going nowhere, at least musically, well it IS more interesting and complicated than it was before, but man. |
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yeah, well you're definitely not the only one that thinks that, but seriously you just have to listen to it more, it's just as musical as it has ever been, just not as blatant. |
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fuck you! |
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What you are calling devolution (or atleast that's my assuption) is evolution in my point of view. Melodies or what I assume you are calling melodies, pleasent simplistic travels up and down the prescribed elementary scales) are overated, they have dogged and haunted the western civilization for donkeys years(since those snotty upper class ponces in poncy went about waving battons centuries ago). The polychromatic and atonal though just as ancient in non western civilization, in in my opinion a sign of progress, as adapted by jazz and the avant garde. A simpler analogy is this, what emotion (as evoked by the music) is more progressed and evolved? Happy, Sad, Pretty, Ugly dichotomies or vast grey areas of indescribeable and abstract feelings? Even a child is capable of the former while it takes experience and a degree of intellect to appreciate and decipher the later. So you tell me, what is evolution? |
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what an intelligent and well structured argument you present |
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wha.. you are BACK? nevermind this thread is just attempt to make people waste keyboard hits arguing with nothing you still in slsk? "country music lovers" room, eh? :D |
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personally for me, if something doesn't really hit me right away in terms of music, i wont FORCE myself to listen to it until i like it. |
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"the notes in the sequences sometimes sound a bit off" um yeh. ok. |
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haha |
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autechre is def. not dead!! btw, you sound like like a nervous woody allen on crack, when reading that messy post... :P |
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its not happy music, its almost entirely imagined in the sense that its understood/heard hands on. makes sense if you have the inclination :) |
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but i id be glad to pull that stuff out |
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ae in general don't make happy music, with a couple of exceptions of course, and i find draft 7.30 to be pretty melancholic |
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i remember my mates and i laffin our heads off to theme of sudden roundabout in a pub carpark |
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no it was surripere |
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theme of sudden roundabout is pretty funny actually, with all the squashed fart sounds wicked track dunno about surripere though i cant see the humour in that :) |
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its the end how the drums go spat spat da spat etc |
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heh, interesting you should mention some humorous qualities about Theme of Sudden Roundabout. its original title is . |
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now this avatar canes the snow seems to have formed an upside down face at this size |
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ill tell ya why draft is so good 100% live :] |
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yeah it does sound that way. i never thought of that, but it does sound more raw than Confield & Gantz Graf. |
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when i listen to it in that mindframe, it all makes great sense :D |
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yeah man, especially trax like 6ie.cr & V-PROC. those don't sound at all processed. it's sounds like something they'd crank out while jammin at a club or somethin. besides, it's a lot funner doing it that way. =) |
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lol squashed fart sounds |
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one of my favorite things about the album is how "off" it sounds.. that doesn't mean it can't be expressive and emotional.. it just means that it will fuck with your head a bit.. |
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those so-called 'original' track names were actually jokes, that were put, possibly by ae, onto on the album's cddb entry, so for a while they would be downloaded by cd rippers etc. |
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i heard something about them not using sequencers, rather improvising a lot on draft. |
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i'd believe that the peel sessions seem pretty improvised to me as well, as well as the live stuff of course |
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Drone is the best track ever. I read somewhere that the reason draft sounds like your stuck somewhere is because they used the same sounds over and over for each song, but warped them slightly. |
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Prince Moth Mothy Moth Moth it sucks that they changed this original title...makes me sad...they really had something special going on there |
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i love this album very much because it highlights one of my favorite things about their music: especially on draft, it sounds like the two of them are fighting over control of the songs.. it sounds like there is some sort of struggle between two entities, fighting over the tempo, timing, and general tone of the songs.. |
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very interesting... |
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im pretty indiffernet about draft. on one hand i think it has numerous great tracks. ie, for me, surripere is one of the best theyve ever done. but on the other hand i think theres numerous tracks that dont progress into something that was satisfactory to me. the shorter ones in particular, i didnt feel they had a chance to progress into something interesting, as soon as they built up into greatness, it died down right away (an exception being vl al 5). overall i still enjoy the record, its got a number of nice tracks. just doesnt move me like other autechre releases, confield being my number one choice i believe. followed by lp5 and amber. im impressed and equally unexcited about it. still quite interested to hear where they will go next, regardless. |
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i got draft and some acid at the same time. then i tried them both AT the same time FOR the same time. it was mindblowing, and it fucks with my head every time i hear it now because it triggers flashbacks. |
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I get so bored with people comparing everything ae do to incunabula - it's 11 years old, give them some credit. to me draft is full of melody, I was very surprised when I heard it. but it is full of faint melodies - did I hear that? or am I imagining a melody which isn't really there? I love that. Mike Paradinas once said something about this on his forum - it could be that the artists are just further evolved then you are at that moment, so at that moment you just don't hear it. |
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skyfarmer?? |
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funny bleepy squelchy noises aren't enuf to make me love ae. I agree with the initial post: ae have gone sour; I miss the sweet, tender melody + harmony which make ae stand out from all the rest of the IDM sound tweakers. Draft has lost all that love. Bring back the love. There's no point in forcing yourself to find emotion in an audible pile of 0's and 1's. Music should never be fully digital/mathmatical - it's hearltess when you try. I'm not just ranting about ae here - Stockhausen was the 1st heartless wanker. I disagree with BoC's bold statement that "Music is Math" - It's so very not. Music is Love!! |
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oh don't talk shit. all emotions you do or do not regard as existing in music are in your own head. music itself is always heartless. |
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draft 7.30 is simply beautiful... not as genious (imo) as confield, but still a great album |
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hey sup flea :DDF:D::DD::DDL:DS |
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which you people should read as (no im not shut up) |
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blah, don't really like this... also, I find it funny how people seem to label all Autechre songs as non 4/4, when in actual fact only a few of the songs I've heard by them (which is all their albums, and a few of their eps) are in 4/4... I haven't listened to Draft in a while, but I bet it's pretty much all 4/4... they just fiddle with the way the beat sounds, and so it sounds all weird... example... something like Nuane which sounds all weird with the beat, is really just straight 4/4... |
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