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my friend showed me this: 0x00 - Aug 25, 2002 Madonna's influence on electronic music cannot be overstated. Having gained her Masters in electrical engineering from Cornell University, her passion for creating new sonic textures lead her away from academia and along a path that was to alter the way we think of sound. In 1984 she produced what years later became recognised as the first jungle record: 'Holiday', which utilised homemade synthesis technology, and though it failed to sell all 250 copies her n-pole digital filtering algorithm proved sufficiently innovative to earn a lucrative licensing deal with Korg. But it was acid techno where she made her name. A young Richard D. James was in the crowd during a live performance in the notorious underground club BBC Television Centre. "It was mental," he recalled, "she was setting up huge fucking standing waves everywhere, people would step into them and their arms would snap. It was like the vortex from The Adventure Game." Responding to accusations that she had sold out after being revealed as the real creative force behind Goldie's 'Timeless' and the publication of her poorly-received book 'Sex', a history of Islamic theology, exegesis and law, Madonna was scornful. "These people wouldn't even know what I was selling out from! They aren't my people. They aren't music people. Homosexual men in their late thirties with large disposable income and racks of Kylie and Abba ? THESE are music people." In 1998 she married film director Chris Cunningham. They have two children. hahahaha, its some guys commentary on discogs.com -rar |
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you said it, Anus |
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cool |
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:D reminds me of roygbivcore putting his 'record' in some online online discog at the warp section |
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I was like "What the fuck ?!" |
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very clever young man but not clever enough |
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i liked it i guess it is madonnas's fantacy |
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i thought she married guy ritchie. |
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the mind plays funny trricks |
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is this the same Madonna that I've heard of on the radio and such? |
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madonna wishes to become bjork |
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After many years of giving her the cold shoulder I've come to love and respect Madonna. Like a prayer rocks and hell, shes sexy to boot. |
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Bedtime story was a pioneering electronica song. The way they used only drummachines and synthesizers instead of guitars, bass and drums, was outrageous at the time. True genious. -P |
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And don't forget the use of non-linear reverb in that song. Another thing only a mastermind could think of. They even got Orbital to remix it. |
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yeah but did madonna come up with that? |
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I think so. |
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wtf? |
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exactly |
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Madonna ain't a genius... maybe the people she hires to produce her songs... also, I need to ask, isn't Bjork in the same type of boat? For instance, on Vespertine for every song I believe it says some one else does the beat programming... so how is she so electronically inclined so to speak, if she hires others to do the electronic aspects of her music? Not that I care really, cause vespertine is gorgeous, but I just wonder cause everyone seems to praise her for being an electronic musician... |
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i've also been asking myself that question. she just sings on the tracks that people producer for her. so she's nothing different from Britney or christina or madonna. But I'm no fan of Björk either. |
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No no, I've personally seen pics of Madonna sit down with her TR-909 in the studio. |
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oooh funkmaster...just wait until titsworth reads that. but no, bjork actually does contribute a lot to the production process, more and more every album she makes. matmos had have said that she was responsable for a lot of the things on vespertine people would think is them. i think the producers she credits have a more collaborative role than with madonna. that, and she writes her own string and choral arrangements, and sings of course |
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madonna is a genious indeed... but not a music genious |
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well I didn't mean it as an angry accusation against Bjork... I was just wondering about it! |
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why should i be bothered? i've already explained this before in detail on here, i'm not going to waste my time explaining it again, especially to someone who doesn't seem to remember things (funk) |
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"why should i be bothered? i've already explained this before in detail on here, i'm not going to waste my time explaining it again, especially to someone who doesn't seem to remember things (funk)" huh? |
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maybe i didn't explain it to you specifically before but i've explained the whole "bjork plays instruments/writes the music/hires collaborators only if she thinks they can add something unique" thing at least 2 or 3 times here before, and there have been things i've recommended to you that were ignored (ie: my mogwai advice). anyway i'm not trying to be pissy but this is a pissy subject for me as a bjork fan. |
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Bjork knows her way around synthesis. She's not the best, that's why she gets other people involved. Her real talent is spotting and delegating, She has the most beautifull voice and energy ever! She can ask Deodato to do some strings, Matmos to do some some decorative electronics and Cunningham to do a video. She could have easily have chosen some cheesy wankers to do all these things but it's taste at the end of the day. She's definately a musical magpie taking things but that's what makes her special. |
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I think Madonna carries so much clout that if she can't get co-operation from one producer she can get it from another. So quite frankly even if this so called collaboration between Aphex and Madonna was going to happen, I think its very unlikey he would get an equal billing in the records sales or promotion. It would be only as a producer and for a set fee, no serious percentage cuts or royalities one would expect and thats the way she works. I think it is purely a money thing for the producers involved that is what they get out of it because all the credit really goes to Madonna. So I think Aphex doing a record with Madonna would be a mistake in a way because she'd get all the credit. And for someone with a reputation like Aphex that would be a gross insult so I'm glad it didn't happen in that sense. |
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JivverDicker, Good points. I acknowledge that she is very schrewd in the way she does things. Totally. However my post above covers the flip side of all of this. |
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Sorry thought you were talking about Madonna. |
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well, if Bjork hires people to do her electronic aspects of her music, she isn't an electronic musician herself... I wasn't saying anything about her skill as a musician, cause I know she does all the other music, and arrangements, I was just wondering about the electronic stuff... |
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I sort of respect Ms. Ciccone, I tink she's sexy and savvy. 80's Madonna=instant hard-on. She's too... muscular now. Her muscles make her music less enjoyable. |
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she does the electronic stuff. she records demos on her own (doing everything, electronics includes) then contacts musicians of all styles, including electronica, to see if they can add somthing special to what she already has. this is the usual process; there are of course times when the track is truly a collabortive (co-written) work, and then there're a couple tracks where she's straight up jacked someone else's beat to put vocals over, 50 cent style (eg: "i go humble" is lfo's "shove piggy shove", "heirloom" is console's "crabcraft", and a new song she's recording is based heavily on something by ensemble). |
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to see the full, previously "lost" credits to homogenic , here're scans of the vespertine liner notes which show what various instruments or roles she had in the creation of each track on that album |
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Be honest, you don't know anything about who does what on Bjork records. Bjork hasn't done any arrangements from 'anchor song' to 'crave'. sure you've read it somewhere but I've also read that martians are running the planet. When Bjork was 16 she used to play a Jupiter 6 in a crap band. She knows what she wants and the MASSIVE difference is how to get it. Let's pretend you are good looking. You'd ask a Vogue 'styler' to get you some clothes, spend three weeks with a personal trainer working on your embaressing gut, and seven days trying to work out what the fuck people want to see you for. Bjork does that intuitavely, you can say it's crap but I like it. |
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I never once said it was crap... I like Bjork, which is why I have three of her albums! |
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean for you to focus on that one thing. Your posts previous seemed that you were being derrogative to Bjorks input. What do you mean? |
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well I read the whole message... but when you start a message with "Be honest you don't know crap all about what you're talking about" not know anything about what I know, I ignore it... all I was wondering was why Bjork would be considered an electronic musician if other people did the electronic stuff in her music... I didn't say anything about her being crap, or anything like that... |
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I know, I said that..... it was my fault. Other people do her 'electronic stuff' and 'string arrangements', she's brilliant at picking the right person for the job. If she was self sufficient you wouldn't see soo many people thanked on her albums. It's a collaborative affair Funkmaster I think you are one of the most 'real' people on here, if you want to persecute me for being silly when I'm drunk. do it.....I'll cry for weeks in my huge pillow. |
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THIS IS ABOUT MADONNA with ze big boobies! She genius good BJÖRK = A COMMON TREE IN SWEDEN! |
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I bet she's all over the place then.. |
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