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Do you believe in astrology? This was once concidered a great science, but has now been rejected as being a complete hoax. All horoscopes are written in a way so that anyone can recognize and identify themselves with what the horoscopes are saying. In an independent study, 2000 newborn babies, born within the same period of time, was subject for a research study to see if there was any hold to the "science" of astrology. Hence, in astrology, both their faith, future and life should pretty much be the same or at least have some certain similarities between them, as they were all born when "their" planets/stars were at a certain position in the sky. As it turns out, all the individuals partaking in the survey, turned out very different from each other, concluding that there is no proof that astrology actually can predict a human life. Your destiny is for you to decide, and not a single star in the sky will ever EVER predict what you will or will not do. |
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funny... my horoscope said youd make this post today... |
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you've been dreaming again, haven't you, Zeus? |
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yeah... its ok, i bet ill wake up in a few minutes |
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astrology is so open-ended you can read it how you want to. i guess for people who beleve it, its a shove in the right direction i suppose |
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I think that mainstream astrology is scam, true astrology is more convincing and interesting but i'm not sure wether i'm convinced or not. |
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Well said :P It is the old thing that if you tell people something, and they beleive it enough, they will make it come true. There are recorded incidents of witch doctors in tribes telling someone they will die because he has placed a curse on them and they have ended up dead through what appear to be natural causes. Human beleif is one of the most powerful and easily exploited things in the world...that's why con men get away with so much, and astrologers manage to make a living. |
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they should have taken 2000 babies born also at the same place wich counts apparently..... depends on what planets have a tide like effect in your brain......... i see what you re talking about though, i find daytime newspaper horoscopes to be a total rip off, but then again i find that cancer doesnt at all fit me wether aquarius does....and im aquarius. its good fun though ! |
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There was a brief article in the "New Scientist" before last, reporting on the scientific findings of a former astrologer who renounced his belief in it based on his findings- he had been trying to see if there was scientific grounding for it and discovered there was none. In a survey of 2000 people born on the same day, none were found to have more similarities than people born on other days. I've always know it to be horse shit, but it's nice to have a little solid evidence like this to back it up. A few years ago when I told someone that it was crap and there was no basis for it, he said, "Ah, but it's common for aquarians to not believe in horoscopes..." Ha ha, I only just read your post and found it said pretty much the same thing :) |
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You better be convinced, or do you believe that you are not in control of your own life; that a bunch of glowing spheres is responsible for the life you live and the choices you make? |
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the 2000 babies thingy, is an old research study, whom I read about in Carl Sagans Cosmos. |
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its easier to belive you're not in control of your life...isnt it? i |
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well the glowing spheres dont control your life they influence it..... but then again so does doing the washing up or tying your shoelaces! |
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I fail to see the co-relation, really.. |
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*yawn* ignore my last post ok? |
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I believe fatalism is for the weak- people who can't take responsibility for their actions are dangerous in my opinion... |
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i am skeptical too... but I had my chart done once... it was exact... time of birth, coordinates, all that... and fuck me, the descriptions of my personality where dead on, without fail it creeped me out |
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ok, I'll rephrase to "influence", but it's still a bag of dicks |
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i wish i could move objects and stuff without touching them!! i try really hard sometimes :D |
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Well, that's the point of astrology - it's written in a way so that anyone can relate to it. that's why people start believing it in the first place. |
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nlogax: i meant my last post not you sir! |
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If i'm really honest i don't think my life is mapped out, i just find that there are some interesting theories and ideas behind it. I am a sceptic so i'm never fully convinced on stuff like this. |
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alrighty then :) |
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i guess you're talking about extreme individuals...and i agree those are dangerous but there are many that belive that everything that happens is destined, now i was thinking of these ppl they seem to take everything that happens to them quite easily (even the worst things)...they're just cool with it (especially religious people) i like to think something inbetween both extremes...actually i rather not think about it at all |
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Indeed, and who knows, maybe it'd be nice if that was the case, that the stars were our main influential life-force. |
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It is a nice idea and it certainly has it's charms but i can't help thinking it's some kind of conspiracy or something. |
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Well, there are two sorts of dangerous fatalists- those who are indolent and unreliable as they genuinely believe it won't make a difference if they live up to their responsibilites or not and those who do things that are not only dangerous to themselves, but to others, like drink driving, as they seem to see themselves free of responsibility because, "it's fate, man." |
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i cant see how "indolent and unreliable" ppl are dangerous really...but i say we'd be better without them haha (j/k) |
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the self fullfilling prophecy... like nostradumus preditcs somebody called hister will start a world war, and hitler thinks, ooo must be me and invades poland... yall should watch a film called naked if u aint already |
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hehe, thats a nice example, but im pretty sure hitler wasnt all that well in his head its almost like someone predicted you'd win on lotery if you payed lots of money for the tickets...i dont think many reasonable ppl would actually go and spend money on tickets |
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FCUK THE HATORZ ! |
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YEAH, FRENCH CONNECTION UNITED KINGDOM |
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I don't know for sure - In principal I wouldn't believe in astrology, certainly not those bullshit columns in the magazines... But - I went out with a Scorpio girl once and since then I can always spot them - It's wierd, but I've been right about it every time. Most ppl can tell I'm a capricorn too - There's also certain signs I always get on with - Almost all of my close friends are Aquarius' or Leo's - And my favorite women always tend to be Taurus'... Then I went to the Astrolab site and got a proper reading based on birth-time and location and everything and got an incredibly accurate chart - I have to think there's something to it, and I'm not the kind of guy who usually goes in for that stuff. http://www.alabe.com/ You should check it out, normally those things cost upwards of $50 - But it's free there... It's nothing to do with predicting the future either, it's more about influences, pre-dispositions and characteristics - Obviously it's quite open-ended cos you are still a unique person with a unique upbringing and DNA and things.. |
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Oh, it's under My Birth Chart if you want to give it a go - But you have to know the exact time of your birth. |
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nope i don't, it is utterr shite. |
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shit |
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agrree |
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It probably does have some effect on the psychological development of individuals whether their initial experiences on this planet were either in summer or in winter, for instance. So from this point of view astrology could provide useful information on peoples personalities. On a sidenote: ive read an article about a psychological experiment where they investigated the effects of reading those astrological predictions as found in the newspaper. One of their main conclusions was that they have a positive effect (i cant remember in which way this was measured). This effect was explained by the idea that reading those predictions let you view your own life from a different mindset, so to speak. Or it stimulates lateral thinking...or... you probably get the picture |
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astrology is hardly summed up by a horoscope. and horoscopes, despite their claims, need not be based on astrological analysis at all, being generated like fortunes in fortune cookies. i personally don't have any interest in astrology. in the hands of the skillful, i think it's possible to extract useful information from analyses (but bear in mind it's possible to extract useful information from your reaction to a rorschach pattern). most importantly, astrology is too often accepted uncritically, and too often dismissed as meaningless. |
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"most importantly, astrology is too often accepted uncritically, and too often dismissed as meaningless. " Thats the beauty of it, i guess. Although an horoscope (ill restrict myself to horoscopes here) written by any john doe from the street (probably) has the same predictive power as one written by some acknowledged medium, the (positive) effects they can have, cant be denied (which make them somewhat meaningful). |
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Load of bollox. |
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The only thing I want to believe in is myself. Astrology is for weak pathetic losers. |
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if something has the kind of profound effects that astrology claims to have on people's lives, you would assume that that effect would be measurable by some means. Untill i see a scientific study that undeniably demonstrates the existence of astrological phenomena, i will remain a non-believer. But if it brings people comfort, and is not hurting anyone then i don't see the harm. |
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God bless those pagans. |
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Trust you Tolstoyed to believe in fate. Yeah you were fated, fated to be plain silly. Lol. |
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glad to see you got my point |
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Gotta stay open minded about these things though - No one man is really 'above' any of these things. I mean, it's proven that the moon has a direct measurable effect on people - I've seen it proven in women anyway. I wouldn't be suprised if Jupiter's enoumous magnetic field had a pretty profound effect on us at some level too. I imagine there's a perfectly simple science behind it all, but ppl in the past figured these things out with thousands of years of trial and error. And the idea of seasons affecting your development has certainly got to have something to it. |
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Also, the earth has bio-rhythms just like man has - It could be that the stars and planets were just used as a giant calender and not actually directly responsible... I don't know - But I wouldn't rule it out - I'm certainly not of the opinion that all ancient cultures were just stupid and weak. |
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could be.. but in the end, it is all idle speculation as to the merit of these astrological projections. as far as i know, there has been no factual data generated by replicable experimentation methods. Do criminal investigators use astrological signs when profiling murderers? I'd be curious to know the answer to that. |
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we share a common opinion, promo :) |
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