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         |  Loopz
             from Brum Land on 2003-09-09 05:03 [#00855662] Points: 526 Status: Regular
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 | All 
 Myself and a few friends (the collective known as the Brum
 Creative) have set a night up in Birmingham in October.
 
 Visual history can be found on our dark and minimal site
 (*just like Brum itself!*)
 
 http://www.thebrumcreative.com
 
 Full details below:-
 
 flyer front =
 http://www.loopz.co.uk/flyers/FLUXOCT4THFRONT.jpg
 
 flyer back =
 http://www.loopz.co.uk/flyers/FLUXOCT4THBACK.jpg
 
 full lineup
 
 LIVE
 u-ziq
 venetian snares (as part of his UK tour)
 k-formation
 mike in mono (ex-plone)
 frog pocket
 
 *note* the flyer states that "the church of gary busey" is
 playing live. He has been replaced by Mike in Mono
 
 DJS
 automation
 my goodself (loopz)
 dextacy
 
 VISUALS
 Psicon Labs
 Pixel Eyes
 
 WHERE
 Custard Factory in sunny Birmingham, UK (map on brumcreaive
 website)
 
 TIME
 8pm to 3am
 
 COSTS
 £ 7
 
 Tickets: Swordfish 0121 633 4859 and Polar Bear 0121 441
 5202
 
 If you plan to come along or need any additional information
 then let me know
 
 
 
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         |  Loopz
             from Brum Land on 2003-09-09 05:03 [#00855663] Points: 526 Status: Regular
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 | btw..OCTOBER 4th 2003 is the date :) 
 
 
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         |  Morton
             from out (Netherlands, The) on 2003-09-09 05:09 [#00855664] Points: 10000 Status: Addict
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 | i'd definately go if i lived in the UK, pretty cool line-up 
 bring the whole bunch over to holland one day man :) i'd
 love to see'em
 
 
 
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         |  promo
             from United Kingdom on 2003-09-09 06:12 [#00855695] Points: 4227 Status: Addict
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 | Loopz, 
 Those are quite big name artists. You gonna loose money
 aren't you? How much did Mike P, V Snares, k-formation
 mike in mono (ex-plone) and
 frog pocket cost? Must be running into 2k surely? You'd have
 to get at least 300 odd people into the venue just to cover
 costs? How are you going to achieve that or are you just
 mad? Its seems a possible number, only just, but surely this
 is an exercise in ego stroking, nothing more. Can't be any
 benefit for you. Please enlighten me Loopz whats in it for
 you? There has to be some logic.
 
 
 
 
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         |  promo
             from United Kingdom on 2003-09-09 06:36 [#00855718] Points: 4227 Status: Addict
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 | Hey Loopz don't get me wrong its a great line-up but I'm just questioning the sanity in what your doing. I reckon its
 gonna probably cost more like £3k but as I say I'd like to
 be enlightened. Whats the score how do plan to cover costs
 'cause lets even forget about making a profit. I'm really
 interested please let me know. Whats the set up here?
 
 
 
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         |  Loopz
             from Brum Land on 2003-09-09 14:19 [#00856398] Points: 526 Status: Regular
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 | dont panic - we wont be down for sure. We have been fortunate for this night and we are already planing one in
 late November/early December and next year.
 
 We held one a few months ago and had Magnetaphone etc
 playing and the Brum Creative have been around since 1999 so
 you can imagine we know when to panic.
 
 also this is nothing to do with ego stroking. we just want
 to host a good party in our town. Bring more good music back
 to Birmingham.
 
 
 
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         |  promo
             from United Kingdom on 2003-09-10 09:31 [#00857092] Points: 4227 Status: Addict
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 | Loopz, 
 Thanks for that but you completely failed to answer my
 question. Are you going to make a loss? That is the
 question. It is about ego stroking if there is nothing in it
 for you. Because you're going to all that effort setting up
 the party etc and paying 3k odd in fees to the artists and
 getting nothing out of it. The only good party thats been
 had is by the artists who are playing and its all on you. I
 just don't get it why go to all that effort and pay U-Ziq
 and Venetian Snares exbortant fees and get nothing back. If
 thats not the case let me know because I really want to
 know. If they want to play let me them do it. Let them carry
 the can if there is nothing in it for you. If you don't
 answer I'll take it that you're either planning to take a
 bath over this 'good party'  that you're running or you have
 no interest in getting anything out of it.
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-09-10 09:34 [#00857099] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | hmm, i'd pay that money to see these artist playing in my town, tho there would be more expenses for all the
 arrangements...and i was pretty sure they charge much more
 
 
 
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         |  promo
             from United Kingdom on 2003-09-10 09:42 [#00857106] Points: 4227 Status: Addict
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 | tolstoyed, 
 Well you're nuts. Sad. That is just so sad. Have you no self
 respect? People don't respect you if you have no purpose
 other than to run around like a blue arse fly making all
 that effort and getting nothing back for it. You think U-Ziq
 and V Snares give a turd that you would have put on a party
 to spread the gospel? I don't think so, they'd say "thank
 you very much for my fee and nice to know you you sad
 loser". You only get respect when you do something seriously
 and with a serious purpose in mind. Yes its fun to do but
 you wouldn't catch me doing something like that without some
 way of making a profit or a reasonable return from it. As
 far as I'm concerned any artist can go take a flying jump if
 he/she expects me to take a big loss just to put him/her on.
 Forget it!
 
 
 
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         |  promo
             from United Kingdom on 2003-09-10 09:46 [#00857111] Points: 4227 Status: Addict
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 | Too add to my comments I'd say let the given artist organise it if they are so keen to play live. They're all to keen to
 have some dumb mug (some ignorant fan) organise a party for
 them and completely carry the can (costs, time and effort).
 There are a lot of losers around at the moment running silly
 parties with massive line-ups and quite frankly getting
 nothing out of it. What it does is leads the artists to
 think that there doesn't have to be any economic logic in
 running a party and that effectively someone will put all
 the time and effort in to running a party for free.
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-09-10 09:56 [#00857123] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | well, the thing is (braindance) music scene here is...well there isnt one
 i remember last year when rephlex was touring in europe,
 they could have easily stoped here as they were passing from
 the gig in austria to the gig in italy close to my city, but
 since no promoters seem to be interested in braindance no
 one ever comes, because of this i'd be pretty interested to
 bring someone here, at least to see the response and to
 start something going...the thing is the nearest club i can
 go to and listen to music i like is about a 3 hour drive
 from here and im spending lots of money runing around europe
 and trying to see some acts
 "they'd say "thank you very much for my fee and nice to know
 you you sad
 loser" "
 what do i care, if thats the waaay they see it i dont mind
 as long as they provide good show, and btw if that about 3k
 is real it is not expensive at all as our local techno dj's
 dont charge much less
 
 anyway i dont have any experince in how these things work,
 so i better not say too much
 perhaps i'll try and do something in the next
 years...hopefully
 
 
 
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         |  promo
             from United Kingdom on 2003-09-10 10:01 [#00857127] Points: 4227 Status: Addict
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 | Well you have no self respect as I said. I have no respect for your either if you are just prepared to be used like
 that.
 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2003-09-10 10:04 [#00857133] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | so you're saying if you were me you'd  be rather spending money on gas, hotels...
 perhaps it is different in the uk, where you have a great
 party almost every week
 
 
 
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         |  recycle
             from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-09-10 10:05 [#00857138] Points: 40933 Status: Lurker
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 | cats and dogs rarely get along. 
 
 
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         |  Spacecadet
             on 2003-09-10 10:09 [#00857142] Points: 1790 Status: Lurker | Followup to promo: #00857111
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 | maybe some people just enjoy throwing massive party with cool acts, just a thought ya know.
 it's not often u get a line-up like that outside of london,
 i think if i had an opportunity to throw a bash like that up
 in the north-west then i would
 
 
 
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         |  TonyFish
             from the realm of our dreams on 2003-09-10 10:44 [#00857182] Points: 3349 Status: Lurker | Followup to recycle: #00857138
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 | ...and we all know promo never misses a chance to critisize people.
 
 
 
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         |  promo
             from United Kingdom on 2003-09-10 12:00 [#00857300] Points: 4227 Status: Addict
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 | TonyFish, 
 Well if you want to be loser then I guess thats no problem.
 
 
 
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         |  TonyFish
             from the realm of our dreams on 2003-09-10 12:02 [#00857307] Points: 3349 Status: Lurker | Followup to promo: #00857300
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 | lol 
 
 
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         |  Loopz
             from Brum Land on 2003-09-11 17:00 [#00859161] Points: 526 Status: Regular
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 | Promo wrote "Thanks for that but you completely failed to answer my
 question. Are you going to make a loss? "
 
 how on earth can i answer that ? Its like saying are you
 going to win some money one day! I can tell your
 presumptions are totally incorrect and the last thing i
 would do is answer your questions about costs.
 
 as for the "They're all to keen to
 have some dumb mug (some ignorant fan) organise a party for
 
 them and completely carry the can (costs, time and effort).
 " comment!!!
 
 I for one aint no dumb mug or ignorant fan. I actually dont
 play much Venetian Snares but some of the other lads with
 the Brumcreative like him. so why not!
 
 I think maybe Mr Promo you need to look into what these
 nights are about instead of just seeing things in your own
 linear view. no offence like but you are very negative about
 something that should be enjoyed.
 
 SpaceCadet - spot on! :)
 
 
 
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         |  scup_bucket
             from bloated exploding piss pockets on 2003-09-11 17:17 [#00859172] Points: 4540 Status: Regular
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 | ya. what is promo's problem.  no really. what the hell. 
 
 
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