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offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-20 13:11 [#00829898]
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I posted this over at watmm... feel free to go over and
participate... or, just discuss here...

watmm poll

1. Big labels like Warp will release the quality stuff. With
the economy etc, the smaller labels will die out (also due
to piracy). The only ones who will be able to survive, are
the big labels.
2. Smaller labels will out do the bigger labels in terms of
quality. Many overlooked artists will get signed on smaller
labels, and start getting the recognition they deserve.
3. Web-based labels/artists will take over. With the rise in
quality artists, just posting their mp3s online for free,
and making a community, people will care less and less about
the established labels.
4. It will all remain just like it is now. A balance of all
these things

We are in a weird transistion I think...
It seems like the big labels currently arnt offering too
much amazing stuff... and smaller labels seem to be more and
more... and also the amount of internet based
labels/musicians is also rising...

Wheres it going to go?

Personally... I think smaller labels will out do bigger
labels in terms of quality



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-08-20 13:13 [#00829899]
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the future of IDM is . . . bleak


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2003-08-20 13:18 [#00829904]
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IDM is, and will continue to influece artists of all other
genres. much as hip-hop did durring the 80s, 90s, and
continues to do.

IDM styles will be adopted by artists in other areas, and
artists who consider themselves IDM will continue to
polish/modify their own styles.

IDM will grow, morph, and influence.

the entropy of ideas.


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-08-20 13:27 [#00829922]
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quality is relative.

if you are a frat kid doing keg stands, high quality to you
might be Korn, or Ben Harper.

if you are 13 year old girl obviously quality is anything
with a group of young fellas each with different shaped
facial hair.

In IDM we (people of this board) still cannot agree on what
is quality, some prefering the more steril and abstract
others prefering the more organic and melodic.

but having said that, i believe web based, free music will
begin to dominate. and marketing will have to adjust and
evolve to compensate, possibly by increasing merchandising,
limited edition print-runs of c.d.s etc..

i think the real reason RIAA folk are against internet
piracy is that it would be too difficult and expensive to
give their marketing practices a complete overhaul to
compensate for the internet music revolution. It is much
easier to use scare tactics to attempt to stop internet
piracy.. eventually they will have to cave in a accept it
though.

but what do i know? i am a scientist, not a marketing
executive.


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-08-20 13:29 [#00829923]
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i wanna talk to a 13 years old girl whos mad about aphex :)


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-08-20 13:32 [#00829926]
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they probably smell and have buck teeth tho :P


 

offline C738 from Outer Space on 2003-08-20 13:35 [#00829933]
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he DOES have facial hair.

But anyhow. I'd like to make some money with my music
offcourse.

But why worry? Time will tell.

I worry more about the 'elite' acting people. You know the
ones that are soooooo IDM. ;-)
Most of the times those people think aphex twin is a duo and
that squarepusher freaked out on sokoban (the game ;))



 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-20 13:36 [#00829934]
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whats with these kind of discussions as of lately..?

anyway - I have no idea.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-08-20 13:38 [#00829938]
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just to bother people who have no ideas about the question
:)


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-20 13:43 [#00829941]
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you've come to the right place! :)


 

offline C738 from Outer Space on 2003-08-20 13:53 [#00829946]
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So the market will separate into two.

One part that will still be commercially active, releasing
music and

and

one part that will be non profit. People will share their
music, but I guess there will be distribution of music on CD
too. Because it's legal to download and burn it. The word
gets spread and they get asked on gigs. The entry fee will
be to cover costs like hiring PA (if not available somehow)
and paying the artists' travelling costs.


 

offline epsy from Afghanistan on 2003-08-20 14:00 [#00829957]
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idm will continue to give nerds something to spend money on
long after LOTR is available at your local video store for
rent


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-08-20 14:05 [#00829967]
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people shouldn't be so willy-nilly-the-sky-is-falling when
they think about the future of idm... idm is a relative
term... so unless people stop making electronic music
altogether, it will always exist at the fringe of this
sphere, no matter what form it takes...

if the poll question were about music in general i would say
that well run independents will command more and more of the
markets as the big 5 continue to alienate a relatively large
chunk of the alternative-thinking population (who happen to
be relatively enthusiastic about music)... that said i think
the majors will survive, by virtue of media control, as well
as cross industry participation... a great example of this
right now is the new VWs coming out complete with i-pod
attachments...

i don't consider Warp to be a big label... although it is
big in its field...
nor do i think that the quality of its releases has gone
down... certainly they have diversified, but if the
underground really wants to punch holes in the big industry
fuselage, that's exactly what they have to do... an
environment that is condusive to maximal creativity and
artistic prowess is one in which people are receptive to art
in all forms that it presents itself to us in... we cannot
invent new genres by listening to only one...


 

offline nobsmuggler from silly mid-off on 2003-08-20 14:09 [#00829974]
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3.


 

offline glass_eater from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2003-08-20 14:10 [#00829979]
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but they will call it RSDM relativly smart dance music,
because everything will be relativised


 

offline nobsmuggler from silly mid-off on 2003-08-20 14:11 [#00829981]
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everybody pretty much has a good as access to the audio kit
software etc to make any thing as good as the big names so i
think this all depends on the smaller unknown to come up
with the goods


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-08-20 14:14 [#00829984]
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i disagree... no matter how many talented bedroom producers
this age produces, they will always be engulfed in copious
copious amounts of unexceptional music... that's why labels
are good... let them sift through it all and find the
goods... when something comes out on warp, or Mu, or
rephlex, or ~Scape, or CCO, i know that it's probably worth
checking out...


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-08-20 14:18 [#00829995]
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it's all about addict records


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-08-20 14:18 [#00829998]
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has xylophone jism cum out yet?


 

offline Cfern from Sacto (United States) on 2003-08-20 14:22 [#00830003]
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i don't think any thing radical is going to happen
anytime soon.... Small labels have never made too much money
anyways.... it's more out of a love for the music... i
don't think that there will ever be a point when people no
longer want to play vinyl records or own the real deal....
mabey not a lot ... but most small labels arne't doing much
more than 1000 copy presses anyways....

meanwhile more mainstream producers while co-op idm ideas

example: 1971's Who's Next by the who is estremly
influeced by the sequencer/tape expermiments of the late
60's by people like Terry Riley. (In fact you all should
download Rainbow in a curved air if you don't have it
yet)... anyways they took more experimental ideas into a
more pop format to great success.... same with floyd,
beatles...etc..



 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2003-08-20 14:25 [#00830008]
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i also believe the internet is a breeding ground for the
next big IDM artists....


 

offline DeadEight from vancouver (Canada) on 2003-08-20 14:48 [#00830027]
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Roygbivcore, have you heard xylophone jism?


 


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