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         |  FLUX
             on 2003-08-03 09:02 [#00806485] Points: 419 Status: Addict
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 | I found a great Cronenberg site.  With lots of goodies on it.
 
 http://www.davidcronenberg.de
 
 God bless za Germans.
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-08-03 09:12 [#00806494] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker
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 | I just watched the clip from The Brood. Damn good movie it was, great soundtrack too, creepy violins and shit.
 
 Cronenberg has this penchant for not using lots of extras
 that makes the world feel like a cold and desolate place.
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-03 10:12 [#00806555] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | cool! 
 love Cronenberg.
 
 that's funny, Fleetmouse, just started watching The Brood
 last night. great visuals and aaaah.. Oliver Reed...
 
 I love cronenbergs concepts.
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-08-03 10:19 [#00806562] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #00806555
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 | I watched it when I was auditing my friend's film class a couple years ago. The prof made some good points about how
 he used camera angles to increase tension - either low or
 high in the kitchen for example, to kinda show the POV of
 the antagonists.
 
 Speaking of camera angles, the director of City of God does
 something similar in the chicken chase scenes, showing the
 chicken's POV. (did you notice the chicken narrowly got
 away? Kind of an allegory of how Rocket got away...)
 
 
 
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         |  Komakino
             from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-08-03 11:17 [#00806612] Points: 682 Status: Lurker
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 | *Cronenberg aficiando* 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-03 11:30 [#00806620] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to Komakino: #00806612
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 | ..or afficionado...? :P 
 
 
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         |  korben dallas
             from nz on 2003-08-03 18:01 [#00807200] Points: 4605 Status: Regular
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 | cool. 
 saw "Spider" recently at an int'l film fest .. he's got a
 thing for his creepy crawlies doesn't he [even if it is just
 in the title]
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-03 19:24 [#00807240] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | supposedly he's working on his next film now.. "painkillers". here's some info:
 
 Set in the world of radical performance artists,
 "Painkillers" is the story of Saul Tenser, an artist with a
 high pain threshold who is approached to capture a
 subversive group. He must decide if what he uncovers should
 be protected or handed over.
 
 "I've been interested in performance artists and the whole
 subculture since a fellow student of mine (at the University
 of Toronto) wrote a short story about a man who did surgery
 as a performance, literally cutting off his own hand,"
 Cronenberg told Daily Variety. "I remember reading that
 story and being incredibly shocked and impressed by it."
 Cronenberg said he began writing the script about four years
 ago and expects to cast it this summer. It will be produced
 by Robert Lantos, who worked with Cronenberg on the 1999
 Dimension Films release "eXistenZ" and Fine Line Features'
 1996 picture "Crash." The film is currently scheduled to
 start production sometime in the first quarter 2003.
 
 Cronenberg has been writing the original screenplay focusing
 on a radical performance artist, Saul Tenser, who has an
 unusual high tolerance for pain. As he searches out odd
 sexual and aesthetic appetites, Tenser is approached to
 search out a group of enigmatic subersives. Finding himself
 on the edge of an underground world, Tenser must decided
 whether he should protect the information he has uncovered
 or hand it over to the proper authorities, whom will no
 doubt supress it.
 
 "David is one of the most original and courageous filmmakers
 of our time," Lantos said of his collaborator. "Painkillers
 ventures into a terrain other cinema has not gone before. I
 can't imagine anyone other than David taking this on, which
 makes working with him so interesting and inspiring."
 Cronenberg said of the project, "Robert and I have an
 excellent relationship that began with Crash, a film
 everyone was afraid to make. I have great repect for his
 taste and support of dangerous material"
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-08-03 19:35 [#00807244] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #00807240
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 | Well he's the perfect man for that material, but isn't it all a little... 90s? I mean when the local "underground"
 weekly has run stories on tounge-splitting, the whole thing
 has lost some of its shock value.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2003-08-03 19:45 [#00807253] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | cronenburg rocks ! 'nuff said 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-03 19:48 [#00807257] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | just finished watching The Brood. 
 jesus, those dwarfs frightened the fuck out of me!
 
 that scene where the teacher gets killed is so cruel - very
 good. :)
 
 fleetmouse: I can't say. it's only a tidbit of information,
 I have no idea what he'll do with this.
 and there is a difference between tongue-splitting etc. and
 full body mutilation in the name of art (of which pretty
 extreme examples exist in China, for one).
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-08-03 19:51 [#00807263] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #00807257
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 | Yes, the little fellows are unsettling, aren't they? :D 
 I'm thinking Orlan's surgical performances are pretty
 extreme, but do you have a link to this Chinese stuff?
 
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-03 20:01 [#00807276] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to fleetmouse: #00807263
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 | um, no. 
 supposedly there was this artist who cut off one of his arms
 and hung it from wires as a piece.
 
 and another artist who's act involved eating stillborn
 childeren (not exactly self-mutilation, but kind of out
 there in it's own way).
 
 there was a documentary about this movement on Dutch
 television last year.
 
 
 
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         |  fleetmouse
             from Horny for Truth on 2003-08-03 20:04 [#00807285] Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #00807276
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 | How disarming. Did he call the piece A Farewell to Arms? Was he making a political commentary on the arms trade? Did he
 
 GAK
 
 :: chokes to death on a bad pun ::
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-03 20:04 [#00807286] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to fleetmouse: #00807263
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 | and about The Brood - really good how he does show their faces briefly, but after that only from afar.
 makes them even more creepy.
 
 very emotional film, I thought.
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-03 20:06 [#00807288] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to fleetmouse: #00807285
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 | RIGHT! THAT'S IT!! 
 my Brood are coming for you. please leave the door open -
 their fingers are kind of underdeveloped, they have a hard
 time opening jam jars, doors, handling machinery of death,
 etc.
 
 
 
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         |  FLUX
             on 2003-08-04 05:48 [#00807705] Points: 419 Status: Addict
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 | All you lucky lucky Zone 2 European sods can buy Naked Lunch on DVD.  Lucky, lucky, lucky sods.  Damned laser disc people
 got the rights for it in Zone1 so no DVD's of Naked Lunch in
 Zone 1.
 Grrrr...Purrr...Meow.
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-04 07:24 [#00807917] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | ah yes.. I do have it on dvd.. yes.. 
 beep beep yeh.
 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-08-04 07:35 [#00807934] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker
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 | Videodrome and Crash are good (in a very fucked up way, but that's cronenberg for you). Naked Lunch i once claimed to be
 the worst and weirdest film i'd ever seen (still think it's
 the weirdest next to Earaserhead). but that was a long time
 ago. i think i would appriciate it more if i watched it now
 
 his latests Spider however, i found incredibly boring. I
 didn't even have the patience to watch it all. It was
 lacking cronenberg's weirdness ;P
 
 
 
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         |  FLUX
             on 2003-08-04 07:36 [#00807938] Points: 419 Status: Addict | Followup to qrter: #00807917
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 | Grr..ahrr...Grr. {breaks down}
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         |  FLUX
             on 2003-08-04 07:47 [#00807970] Points: 419 Status: Addict | Followup to AlbertoBalsalm: #00807934
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 | Yes Spider is a very gentle and subtle movie.  I think the story demanded it.  Or it could have turned mental
 disability into a freak show.  I read in Cronenbergs
 interview in Sight and Sound that he envisaged Spider's
 character as a differently abled artist.  Fienes's hair and
 costume and mannerisms were modeled after Samuel Beckett.
 
 Highly recommend revisiting Naked Lunch.  In fact if you
 read the book the movie seems very linear and straight
 forward.
 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-08-04 07:53 [#00807975] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Crash is great, dunno if I ENJOYED watching it though... I think I've seen all the important ones except Spider and...
 Scanners... ugh. The exploding head beckons me.
 
 Painkillers sounds interesting... does anyone know who's
 starring, IMDB doesn't say...
 
 
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2003-08-04 07:57 [#00807979] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ophecks: #00807975 | Show recordbag
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 | crash nearly got me off that's how cool i thought it to be. a fucked up rush that was.
 deadringers: yum :p
 
 
 
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         |  FLUX
             on 2003-08-04 08:06 [#00807988] Points: 419 Status: Addict
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 | Painkillers sounds a whole lot like a fantastic book by Kathe Koja called "Skin" also about a troupe of body
 modifying performance artists that keep pushing the limits.
 SKIN
 scroll down to read the synopsis.
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-04 08:57 [#00808072] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator
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 | dead ringers is very good. 
 must be the most intense psychological film I've seen.
 
 
 
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         |  AlbertoBalsalm
             from ReykjavÃk (Iceland) on 2003-08-04 09:45 [#00808176] Points: 9459 Status: Lurker | Followup to qrter: #00808072
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 | i haven't seen that one. what's it about? 
 
 
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         |  Komakino
             from Tan-giers USSR (Russia) on 2003-08-04 09:49 [#00808182] Points: 682 Status: Lurker
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 | I saw a film recently that reminded me of Dead Ringers, called 'A Zed & Two Noughts', by Peter Greenaway - Also
 about twins who kill themselves, but its more of a black
 comedy.
 
 Crash (the book), was more intence than the film, but its
 still a masterpiece.
 
 
 
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         |  qrter
             from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-08-04 09:50 [#00808187] Points: 47414 Status: Moderator | Followup to AlbertoBalsalm: #00808176
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 | a pair of twin gynaecologists - one timid, the other more outward. when the outward one gets a girlfriend and gets
 tired of her, she is passed on to the timid one.
 then the timid one falls in love with one of the passed on.
 
 they get more and more loopy - making strange instruments
 for operating on mutant women, etc.
 
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         |  MachineofGod
             from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-08-04 11:48 [#00808392] Points: 3088 Status: Lurker
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 | spider is top notch but existenz sucks. painkillers sounds good, hope its executed in a good way though.
 
 
 
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         |  titsworth
             from Washington, DC (United States) on 2003-08-27 14:07 [#00839123] Points: 14550 Status: Lurker
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 | scanners is so good! watched it this weekend. has a really great "feel" to it, like dead ringers meets alien?
 
 
 
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         |  LeCoeur
             from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2003-08-27 20:56 [#00839638] Points: 8249 Status: Lurker
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 | i never thought i'd say this, but that blowing up head thingy in scanners was pretty well done, but don't get any
 ideas JAR about putting that as your avatar....cos watching
 that happen over and over is just.......toooo toooo much!
 =0)
 
 the movie was good, terrible dubbing job tho, guess it's cos
 the movie is 20 years old....very original story!
 
 
 
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