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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-16 20:28 [#00782560]
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This is the first time I have ever done a track like this...at the moment it is literally only the basics of a new track, however I have been experimenting with drum programming. I suppose the style it most closely resembles is VSnares on WITBOAS...so as such I have called my demo track Summer In The Stomach Of a Lizard.
You can get it here
I would appreciate any feedback on whether you think the drums/bleeps are any good, or whether I should just quit :D
Gracias amigos :P
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 20:34 [#00782562]
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since i've never heard anything by venetian snares that i liked, i'll just say "keep on keeping on!"
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-16 20:36 [#00782563]
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OK forget VSnares...it sounds like any drill track you have ever liked if it will get you to listen :D
It is only a one and a half minute segment btw...
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 21:29 [#00782593]
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ask and ye shall receive. generally...
keeping in mind that this is a kernel of a demo, and not a complete track, of course you need to spend a lot more time building a memorable melody. right now it's a very basic skeleton. personally, i liked what sounds like a lightly tweaked vibraphone sample, but i did not like the stereo echo reverb effect.
the rhythm programming, to my ears, is choppy and needs to be both tightened and loosened up.
perhaps the greatest difficulty in using this sort of style is achieving "expressiveness" when there are so many lockstep squeaks and blips flying past. have you tried switching back and forth between time signatures? i'd like to hear some syncopation to break up the space.
i would suggest programming the kick drum alone with the vibes, aiming for a groove with unpredictable syncopation. then, build your drill patterns using the kick as a rhythmic foundation. i realize that the drill sound often aims for a free jazz freakout effect, but it sounds to me like you want it to be tighter, explosive but flowing, at the edge of chaos but with a white-knuckle groove driving things, a la afx or squarepusher.
you get extra points for not using that amen break, or any other sampled break (which i love, really, but is such an awful cliché).
what did you use to make this? i would guess reason. another approach would be to program a ton of short phrases, and then use those as building blocks for longer phrases.
quit? never!
btw, can we come out of the lizard's stomach now? it smells funny in here...
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-16 21:30 [#00782594]
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Nobody like drill any more? I'm not asking for tons of feedback, just whether you think the drums sound ok or not :P
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-16 21:34 [#00782600]
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Man that is some feedback...thanks :D!!!
I agree with everything you say...to be honest the synth was just there to give some contrast for the beats. I am basically only just starting out with drill so I need more practise with the sequencing, obviously I will try what you have suggested (good food for thought).
Thanks again :)
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 21:35 [#00782601]
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fuck me i'm dreaming
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-16 21:35 [#00782602]
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huh?
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 21:47 [#00782615]
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i'm the worst kind of person
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-16 21:49 [#00782619]
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yes I spend time making music and asking for opinions so you can type utter shit in my topic...cheers
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optimus prime
on 2003-07-16 21:49 [#00782620]
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then stop eating.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 21:57 [#00782631]
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roygbiv, maybe you should create a "xltronic therapy" thread. we'll wake you up, happy up your place and help you learn to love yourself.
the truth is, we love you and we only want you to be happy.
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Toejam
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-07-16 22:08 [#00782638]
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He's going to be one of those people who are renoound for something, like the Baron saying "The Baron Has Spoken!"
Roygbivcore wants to do the same. Idiot.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:10 [#00782639]
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i just want teh lovin baby
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 22:20 [#00782642]
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who doesn't want to remembered fondly (or failing that, not so fondly) for some admirable (or failing that, memorable) trademark?
for example, did you know that ecnadniarb here makes music?
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-16 22:20 [#00782643]
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Well I am going to bed now so this is the last bump this topic will receive, if any else can be bothered to listen I will respond tomorrow. Thanks.
Goodnight all.
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Toejam
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-07-16 22:22 [#00782644]
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gosh, really? ecnadniarb makes music?
wow.
i must remember him, then. along with the other fifty-thousand fucking music-makers!
:-<
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:22 [#00782645]
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:'(
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:24 [#00782648]
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i don't want anyone to remember me, ever!
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 22:26 [#00782650]
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sounds like that toe (wherever you've got it jammed) is making you a little grumpy.
time to put the balm on.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 22:29 [#00782653]
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roygbiv
but you want to want people to remember you, always.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:32 [#00782656]
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FUCK THE REVOLUTOIN WE NEED A FUCKIN TIME OUT
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-16 22:34 [#00782657]
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yeah but you're such an ass all the time.
naw just kidding, i'm drunk..
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Dael
from the low end (Australia) on 2003-07-16 22:35 [#00782658]
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hmmm? geez I don't know what to say, my interpretation is this, you recorded some kind of hospital operation onto dat, and then proceded to hit the dat tape with a sledgehammer and then you fixed the dat tape? I don't know?, (warning though, I'm much more the tri-repetae fan than a confield one, so I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to appreciate the bubble and squeeks like alot of others on this board no doubt could...)
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morguean
from Calgary (Canada) on 2003-07-17 00:49 [#00782697]
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I like it so far
although it is hard to really give much of a feedback on it considering it's just the drums and synth
but it's good man! The drums are tight and it pisses me off that this is a short demo hoha
with the drums, i was craving a big kick or something like that shit, and other than that.... obviously the synth has to change buuut show us when you have a more completed version
yeaH
OH and the first track on your zebox page is fucking amazing, it's so damn original and mental patienty, i love it and i want to show it to my mom
do you have more songs like it?
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Toejam
from Perth (Australia) on 2003-07-17 00:54 [#00782700]
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Sorry for my outburst before, I very rarely get angry or irritated like that, but I was in a bad mood.
I'm better now! :-)
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xf
from Australia on 2003-07-17 01:02 [#00782701]
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*feeds you pills*
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S M Pennyworth
from East Timor on 2003-07-17 04:13 [#00782797]
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oi ecnad this is good stuff! the melody is good but it need to be developed. some effects on the drums would be ace! good work!
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promo
from United Kingdom on 2003-07-17 06:03 [#00782877]
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Yeah the beat sounds like Venetian Snares.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-07-17 06:05 [#00782881]
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downloading now, Lee - must be annoying to be in the same city as Goon - when will YOU ever be #1 ! ! !
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2003-07-17 06:08 [#00782887]
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Interesting, Lee, but not really Snaresy - maybe just because the instruments/persucussion chosen weren't right - and not enough god-damned DISTORTION ! :P
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uzim
on 2003-07-17 08:19 [#00783108]
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i like!
the beats are ok yeah, but what i especially like is the... i'm not sure, is it what is called drone?... you hear alone at the beginning and the end and coupled with the beats through all of it : )
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 08:45 [#00783175]
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I quite like it. It could be improved with something weird, some sort of something that makes it's construction original and weirdified. Right now the burst of percussion sounds come right after the other in a sort of on/off/on/off fire sequence, so maybe spacing of the sounds could be more interesting and less checkerboard. The sounds of the sounds were quite good though. Nice variation, though not as much as otto von zorak and they sound good too though not as weirdified with detail as ooter vorn schirach.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-17 08:46 [#00783176]
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KITTENS!
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:13 [#00783237]
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Is that an absynth preset I'm hearing? I'm pretty sure it is. If not, it sounds 100% similair to an absynth sound. The 'melody' (if you wanna call it a melody) sounds very forced, especially the last 2 notes of the theme. You really need to make it sound more natural and of course add some other instruments.
The drumbeat is allright, but it's 100% VSnares on WITBOAS like you said. You'd have a go by spreading this track around the internet claiming it's a rare vsnares track or you might wanna create your own sound instead of fully imitating someone else.
I don't mean to sound harsh, you're a nice guy, but this is too much of an imitation to me. You have the skills, now make it yours!
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:18 [#00783251]
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spreading fake tracks, pretending they are by other popular people, sounds like a fun hobby. You could make the track very similar to their style (like madonna or something) then get a voice impersonator to say something humiliation/embarrassing/ (as if she were madonna), ha , like make up some bizarre political view she has and make her track all ablaze with it, just barely staying out of the realm of being too ludicrous to believe as a real track.
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:23 [#00783268]
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hehe, eminem telling us how much he loves his mom.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-17 09:24 [#00783272]
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Woo, thanks for all the comments peeps :D!!
Nexus 6, your comment is the best comment I could have received :D As I said earlier in the thread the synth is there purely as a something for the beats to lie against...I didn't even think about it, just used 6 keys on the keyboard to do it in less than a minute.
As for the beats I was purposely aiming to emulate VSnares sound because his style is the most basic drill I have heard. Now I can move on from here and introduce my own originality into it.
The main thing I wanted to get from this is whether people thought it sounded authentically drill, if that makes sense.
I am chuffed though that so many of you replied. Thanks again :D!!!!
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:29 [#00783283]
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"As for the beats I was purposely aiming to emulate VSnares
sound because his style is the most basic drill I have heard. Now I can move on from here and introduce my own originality into it."
I was hoping you'd say that. It is indeed very important that, from here, you'll add your own originality, because the creativity is good. I'll be waiting for the melodies. That will eventually tell me if you're able to do it or not.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:38 [#00783295]
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i thort this track was really cool, Lee!
The vibraphone sounds really nice, maybe make the ping-pong-delay-thing out of time with the piece, so there are cross rhythms that are not rhythmical at all, adding to the disorientating effect. Maybe make each key 'echo' at a slightly different rate to the next.
drums almost sound spot on, but like paul said WHERE'S THE DISTORTION?? :D
imitating someone is always a good way to learn a new style, then just gotta develop away from it and make ur own - like u said :)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:39 [#00783299]
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Rappers would be particularly good targets because their music typically contains lots of expressive words anyway, so making up your own wouldn't seem terribly suspicious to an audience.
snoop: Hey yo wassup, this is snoop dog...
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Me and shady can't take it no more man. We sick of hidin. We comin out of the closet with this shit man.
eminem: shiiiiiit
snoop: we about to tell you all the truth about me and shady. we ain't fuckin around. this shit is for real...
(chorus of them singing duet telling us about how they're lovers)
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:41 [#00783305]
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Sure there'd be a great urge to make an appearance from barney, but that would be too unbelievable and the ultimate goal is to humiliate them in a believable way :D
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:43 [#00783314]
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eminem: I'm like banging his ass every fucking 3 hours man, fucking turns my on.
snoop dog: we're touring together at the moment so we can spend more time with each other. We also tried a threesom with dr. dre, but his cock's a bit too small for us.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:45 [#00783317]
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heh heh, seems like such an obvious troll activity... I guess the main obstacle is a lack of gangsta rapper impersonaters in the nerd community.
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ecnadniarb
on 2003-07-17 09:46 [#00783320]
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My mate can do a shit hot version of Snoops voice...and I am sure a million and one nerds can do Eminems voice.
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:49 [#00783323]
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I'm extremely good at imitating shaggy's voice. [quote="Ophecks"]But he's so 6 months ago[/quote]
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:50 [#00783324]
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There really needs to be an official "troll website". So you can upload snoops impercination/ ideas about the fake track/ ideas to destroy the internet/ ideas of marvelous schemes and pranks/ ideas to destroy humanity in a humorous way etc etc.
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:53 [#00783325]
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yeah, so that all that stuff can be done unnoticed?
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drummond
from coffee, ahh, a burger, ahh on 2003-07-17 09:53 [#00783326]
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i thought it already was
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drummond
from coffee, ahh, a burger, ahh on 2003-07-17 09:54 [#00783329]
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sorry, i meant i thought you thought it already was
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