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offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-16 20:28 [#00782560]
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This is the first time I have ever done a track like
this...at the moment it is literally only the basics of a
new track, however I have been experimenting with drum
programming. I suppose the style it most closely resembles
is VSnares on WITBOAS...so as such I have called my demo
track Summer In The Stomach Of a Lizard.

You can get it here

I would appreciate any feedback on whether you think the
drums/bleeps are any good, or whether I should just quit :D

Gracias amigos :P


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 20:34 [#00782562]
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since i've never heard anything by venetian snares that i
liked, i'll just say "keep on keeping on!"


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-16 20:36 [#00782563]
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OK forget VSnares...it sounds like any drill track you have
ever liked if it will get you to listen :D

It is only a one and a half minute segment btw...


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 21:29 [#00782593]
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ask and ye shall receive. generally...

keeping in mind that this is a kernel of a demo, and not a
complete track, of course you need to spend a lot more time
building a memorable melody. right now it's a very basic
skeleton. personally, i liked what sounds like a lightly
tweaked vibraphone sample, but i did not like the stereo
echo reverb effect.

the rhythm programming, to my ears, is choppy and needs to
be both tightened and loosened up.

perhaps the greatest difficulty in using this sort of style
is achieving "expressiveness" when there are so many
lockstep squeaks and blips flying past. have you tried
switching back and forth between time signatures? i'd like
to hear some syncopation to break up the space.

i would suggest programming the kick drum alone with the
vibes, aiming for a groove with unpredictable syncopation.
then, build your drill patterns using the kick as a rhythmic
foundation. i realize that the drill sound often aims for a
free jazz freakout effect, but it sounds to me like you want
it to be tighter, explosive but flowing, at the edge of
chaos but with a white-knuckle groove driving things, a la
afx or squarepusher.

you get extra points for not using that amen break, or any
other sampled break (which i love, really, but is such an
awful cliché).

what did you use to make this? i would guess reason.
another approach would be to program a ton of short phrases,
and then use those as building blocks for longer phrases.

quit? never!

btw, can we come out of the lizard's stomach now? it smells
funny in here...



 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-16 21:30 [#00782594]
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Nobody like drill any more? I'm not asking for tons of
feedback, just whether you think the drums sound ok or not
:P


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-16 21:34 [#00782600]
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Man that is some feedback...thanks :D!!!

I agree with everything you say...to be honest the synth was
just there to give some contrast for the beats. I am
basically only just starting out with drill so I need more
practise with the sequencing, obviously I will try what you
have suggested (good food for thought).

Thanks again :)


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 21:35 [#00782601]
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fuck me i'm dreaming


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-16 21:35 [#00782602]
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huh?


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 21:47 [#00782615]
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i'm the worst kind of person


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-16 21:49 [#00782619]
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yes I spend time making music and asking for opinions so you
can type utter shit in my topic...cheers


 

offline optimus prime on 2003-07-16 21:49 [#00782620]
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then stop eating.


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 21:57 [#00782631]
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roygbiv, maybe you should create a "xltronic therapy"
thread. we'll wake you up, happy up your place and help you
learn to love yourself.
the truth is, we love you and we only want you to be happy.


 

offline Toejam from Perth (Australia) on 2003-07-16 22:08 [#00782638]
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He's going to be one of those people who are renoound for
something, like the Baron saying "The Baron Has Spoken!"

Roygbivcore wants to do the same. Idiot.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:10 [#00782639]
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i just want teh lovin baby


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 22:20 [#00782642]
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who doesn't want to remembered fondly (or failing that, not
so fondly) for some admirable (or failing that, memorable)
trademark?

for example, did you know that ecnadniarb here makes music?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-16 22:20 [#00782643]
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Well I am going to bed now so this is the last bump this
topic will receive, if any else can be bothered to listen I
will respond tomorrow. Thanks.

Goodnight all.


 

offline Toejam from Perth (Australia) on 2003-07-16 22:22 [#00782644]
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gosh, really? ecnadniarb makes music?

wow.

i must remember him, then. along with the other
fifty-thousand fucking music-makers!

:-<


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:22 [#00782645]
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:'(


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:24 [#00782648]
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i don't want anyone to remember me, ever!


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 22:26 [#00782650]
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sounds like that toe (wherever you've got it jammed) is
making you a little grumpy.

time to put the balm on.


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2003-07-16 22:29 [#00782653]
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roygbiv

but you want to want people to remember you, always.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-16 22:32 [#00782656]
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FUCK THE REVOLUTOIN WE NEED A FUCKIN TIME OUT


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2003-07-16 22:34 [#00782657]
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yeah but you're such an ass all the time.

naw just kidding, i'm drunk..


 

offline Dael from the low end (Australia) on 2003-07-16 22:35 [#00782658]
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hmmm? geez I don't know what to say, my
interpretation is this, you recorded some kind of hospital
operation onto dat, and then proceded to hit the dat tape
with a sledgehammer and then you fixed the dat tape? I don't
know?, (warning though, I'm much more the tri-repetae fan
than a confield one, so I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to
appreciate the bubble and squeeks like alot of others on
this board no doubt could...)



 

offline morguean from Calgary (Canada) on 2003-07-17 00:49 [#00782697]
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I like it so far

although it is hard to really give much of a feedback on it
considering it's just the drums and synth

but it's good man! The drums are tight and it pisses me off
that this is a short demo hoha

with the drums, i was craving a big kick or something like
that shit, and other than that.... obviously the synth has
to change buuut show us when you have a more completed
version

yeaH

OH and the first track on your zebox page is fucking
amazing, it's so damn original and mental patienty, i love
it and i want to show it to my mom

do you have more songs like it?


 

offline Toejam from Perth (Australia) on 2003-07-17 00:54 [#00782700]
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Sorry for my outburst before, I very rarely get angry or
irritated like that, but I was in a bad mood.

I'm better now! :-)


 

offline xf from Australia on 2003-07-17 01:02 [#00782701]
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*feeds you pills*


 

offline S M Pennyworth from East Timor on 2003-07-17 04:13 [#00782797]
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oi ecnad this is good stuff!
the melody is good but it need to be developed. some effects
on the drums would be ace! good work!


 

offline promo from United Kingdom on 2003-07-17 06:03 [#00782877]
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Yeah the beat sounds like Venetian Snares.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-07-17 06:05 [#00782881]
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downloading now, Lee - must be annoying to be in the same
city as Goon - when will YOU ever be #1 ! ! !


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2003-07-17 06:08 [#00782887]
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Interesting, Lee, but not really Snaresy - maybe just
because the instruments/persucussion chosen weren't right -
and not enough god-damned DISTORTION ! :P


 

offline uzim on 2003-07-17 08:19 [#00783108]
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i like!

the beats are ok yeah, but what i especially like is the...
i'm not sure, is it what is called drone?... you hear alone
at the beginning and the end and coupled with the beats
through all of it : )


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 08:45 [#00783175]
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I quite like it. It could be improved with something weird,
some sort of something that makes it's construction original
and weirdified. Right now the burst of percussion sounds
come right after the other in a sort of on/off/on/off fire
sequence, so maybe spacing of the sounds could be more
interesting and less checkerboard. The sounds of the
sounds were quite good though. Nice variation, though not as
much as otto von zorak and they sound good too though not as
weirdified with detail as ooter vorn schirach.


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-07-17 08:46 [#00783176]
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KITTENS!


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:13 [#00783237]
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Is that an absynth preset I'm hearing? I'm pretty sure it
is. If not, it sounds 100% similair to an absynth sound. The
'melody' (if you wanna call it a melody) sounds very forced,
especially the last 2 notes of the theme. You really need to
make it sound more natural and of course add some other
instruments.
The drumbeat is allright, but it's 100% VSnares on WITBOAS
like you said. You'd have a go by spreading this track
around the internet claiming it's a rare vsnares track or
you might wanna create your own sound instead of fully
imitating someone else.
I don't mean to sound harsh, you're a nice guy, but this is
too much of an imitation to me. You have the skills, now
make it yours!


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:18 [#00783251]
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spreading fake tracks, pretending they are by other popular
people, sounds like a fun hobby. You could make the track
very similar to their style (like madonna or something) then
get a voice impersonator to say something
humiliation/embarrassing/ (as if she were madonna), ha ,
like make up some bizarre political view she has and make
her track all ablaze with it, just barely staying out of the
realm of being too ludicrous to believe as a real track.


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:23 [#00783268]
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hehe, eminem telling us how much he loves his mom.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-17 09:24 [#00783272]
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Woo, thanks for all the comments peeps :D!!

Nexus 6, your comment is the best comment I could have
received :D As I said earlier in the thread the synth is
there purely as a something for the beats to lie against...I
didn't even think about it, just used 6 keys on the keyboard
to do it in less than a minute.

As for the beats I was purposely aiming to emulate VSnares
sound because his style is the most basic drill I have
heard. Now I can move on from here and introduce my own
originality into it.

The main thing I wanted to get from this is whether people
thought it sounded authentically drill, if that makes
sense.

I am chuffed though that so many of you replied. Thanks
again :D!!!!


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:29 [#00783283]
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"As for the beats I was purposely aiming to emulate VSnares

sound because his style is the most basic drill I have
heard. Now I can move on from here and introduce my own
originality into it."

I was hoping you'd say that. It is indeed very important
that, from here, you'll add your own originality, because
the creativity is good. I'll be waiting for the melodies.
That will eventually tell me if you're able to do it or not.



 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:38 [#00783295]
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i thort this track was really cool, Lee!

The vibraphone sounds really nice, maybe make the
ping-pong-delay-thing out of time with the piece, so there
are cross rhythms that are not rhythmical at all, adding to
the disorientating effect. Maybe make each key 'echo' at a
slightly different rate to the next.

drums almost sound spot on, but like paul said WHERE'S THE
DISTORTION?? :D

imitating someone is always a good way to learn a new style,
then just gotta develop away from it and make ur own - like
u said :)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:39 [#00783299]
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Rappers would be particularly good targets because their
music typically contains lots of expressive words anyway, so
making up your own wouldn't seem terribly suspicious to an
audience.

snoop: Hey yo wassup, this is snoop dog...

...

Me and shady can't take it no more man. We sick of hidin. We
comin out of the closet with this shit man.

eminem: shiiiiiit

snoop: we about to tell you all the truth about me and
shady. we ain't fuckin around. this shit is for real...

(chorus of them singing duet telling us about how they're
lovers)


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:41 [#00783305]
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Sure there'd be a great urge to make an appearance from
barney, but that would be too unbelievable and the ultimate
goal is to humiliate them in a believable way :D


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:43 [#00783314]
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eminem: I'm like banging his ass every fucking 3 hours man,
fucking turns my on.
snoop dog: we're touring together at the moment so we can
spend more time with each other. We also tried a threesom
with dr. dre, but his cock's a bit too small for us.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:45 [#00783317]
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heh heh,
seems like such an obvious troll activity... I guess the
main obstacle is a lack of gangsta rapper impersonaters in
the nerd community.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2003-07-17 09:46 [#00783320]
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My mate can do a shit hot version of Snoops voice...and I am
sure a million and one nerds can do Eminems voice.


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:49 [#00783323]
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I'm extremely good at imitating shaggy's voice.
[quote="Ophecks"]But he's so 6 months ago[/quote]


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-07-17 09:50 [#00783324]
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There really needs to be an official "troll website". So you
can upload snoops impercination/ ideas about the fake track/
ideas to destroy the internet/ ideas of marvelous schemes
and pranks/ ideas to destroy humanity in a humorous way etc
etc.


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2003-07-17 09:53 [#00783325]
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yeah, so that all that stuff can be done unnoticed?


 

offline drummond from coffee, ahh, a burger, ahh on 2003-07-17 09:53 [#00783326]
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i thought it already was


 

offline drummond from coffee, ahh, a burger, ahh on 2003-07-17 09:54 [#00783329]
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sorry, i meant i thought you thought it already was


 


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