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All the reviews i read of draft say its less 'difficult' to listen to compared to confield, and that its more of a return to slightly older works like chiastic slide. I disagree, i find draft 730 increadibly hard to listen to, its like, every song starts with a melody, then 3 minutes in it disintegrates into random nonsense. |
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I agree with your disagreement, although I like Draft 7.30 a lot. |
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"random nonsense. " oh, im sorry! Wrong answer! Better luck next time, on the price is right! |
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pff. It so is random nonsense. Everyones like 'no, its genius, its in 17-8 compound time with a slight waltz. Bullshit its nonsense, it gives me a damn headache, and there's no structure behind it at all. 'Yeah aphex, but thats the point, they're redesigning music to go outside of the boundaries of what is traditionally seen as "music"'. What a load of horseshit. |
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haha i agree tho that draft is still as / if not more abstract than confield... confield had rhythems that you could hang onto during the really crazy parts, but a lot of the draft songs dont give you anything to focus on, and its a bit overwhelming. but i love it. |
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*sigh* just try and have an open mind dude... you may not like it... but dont call it a load of horseshit, that is random nonsense. |
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theres a place for everything, if you dont like it, then pipe down. |
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i would definitely agree that draft is a much more scatter-shot affair than confield... but i can't help liking it more and more each time i hear it... it'll never be confield... but i'm happy enough just to get the chance to hear the sonic pallette of ae post-confield, some of the noises they force out of their machines are absolutely mind-boggling... (see 6ie.Cr) |
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yeah, i dont think its more accessable. |
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ok, so maybe i dont 'get it' or im not 'cool enough' to understand. I appreciate different people find different things in music. It just seems like autechre are testing to see when their fans start saying 'what the hell are you doing? Have you been taking the piss these last few years?'. I predict the next album will just be white noise, or perhaps 2 hours of scraping fingers across a blackboard. No doubt everyone will buy it and decide its the work of a genius. Or two. |
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i agree, the sounds they make are fucking awesome, i just think what they do with them is stupid. They shouldve called the CD daft 730 |
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I like Confield better than Draft7.30 ! And even if Draft7.30 is random (which it is not) it is still kool ! |
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no i think aphex did that with Smojphace. |
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yeah, maybe its the trend this year? Haha, expect an albumby squarepusher full of wet fart noises |
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i was just about to say we've heard this comment already... perhaps a different musical genre would be more to your liking? |
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yeah. smojphace is not art. its rdj seeing how far he can go. autechre wouldnt do that... they take their music much more serious then rdj. imo. i mean, i dont know them personally, but you kinda can tell from interviews that ae are like, really serious. anyways. yes. |
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hardly. I have the entire discography of aphex twin, squarepusher, and autechre. I just think the new autechre cd is a push too far. I like the artists, but i still remember what sounds good to me, and what sounds like nonsense. Its just an opinion people. |
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i disagree... and i'd say it's pretty short sighted to say that about one artist and then deny this about another... just wait until autechre puts out an album that you don't get at all... then what? |
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Its the same for aphex twin. I like a lot of his stuff, but i also think most albums have a couple of totally shite tracks. Druqks had one CD too many. Scrap the children crying in wind tunnels, and answer machines. Give me the good stuff. |
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recognize that everything from now on will be increasingly difficult... that's how artists break new ground... |
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...then i'll admit its shit. |
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Autechre has a gift for making highly structured music that sounds like random shit at first then slowly comes into focus. Of course if that is the primary aesthetic pleasure of listening to them then it must fade over time as the puzzles are solved. And maybe I'm getting tired of that game anyhow. |
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well, it is possible to have a bad song in a genre. I mean, ok so its not a truth of the universe, because it is all up to the listener... but I think for the most part, people can agree on whats a good and a bad composition. i beleive aphextriplet doesnt like the overall genre of "noise"... so you cant just say a whole genre is bad. but you can have bad peices of work in a genre. and smojphace is bad. |
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i don't dispute your right to think the ktpas are poor... but i don't think RDJ thought to himself... "i'm going to see how far i can go and still get fans to be my albums..." |
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that must REALLY suck if you dont like confield i mean, if you cant enjoy it like that :( i feel for ya too bad |
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i dont know dude... given rdjs reputation over the years, i think its very possible... |
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youre right zeus, i hate the whole 'noise' genre thats creeping in. It just seems talentless and annoying to me. Thats not to say that it is, or that it isnt. I just dont 'get' it, like 80 year olds dont get dance, and 98% of the world dont 'get' IDM [ugh, i hate that abbreviation]. |
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he got away with "bonus high frequency sounds" because i think it was a bit of a joke... but i dunno... is he really that short of ideas? and i really hate this clear cd case no artwork thing... richards attitude stinks imo |
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im not a fan of noise either, i even struggle to listen to richard devine... i dont see how draft comes under noise tho |
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when he has neat little symbols... people call it snide consumerism... when he doesn't he has a piss-poor attitude... funny |
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daft 730 [its new name] isnt really noise in the same sense as the new aphex CD, it just has no structure or melody in like, every song after a few minutes. I cant listen to that cause i dont enjoy it at all. I like music to sound at least vaguely like music. I love almost every track on daft 730 until about 3 minutes into each of them |
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if i could spell (BLAR - ZAY) i would have used that word instead, ok! |
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i see how you can feel that way... i must admit that one of my favorite tracks (vl al 5) is amazing in the first half with those strings... but really does drop off... its still good tho... |
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i love the start of xylin room 6IE.CR surrpere vl al 5 p: ntil reniform puls and they all turn to shit imo |
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blase avec un accent grave je pense... |
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Non, aigu : blasé. |
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gringo dingo flamingo dorito nacho siesta mango mungo |
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aphexttriplet dood you must have issues. draft is fucking beautiful. confield is fucking beautiful. maybe autechre just isn't for you. shame tho,really too bad because you are missing out on some nice shit |
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im having trouble understanding why the thread was named "confield".....but anyway,.... DRAFT 7.30 TRANSCENDS ANYTHING TODAY. |
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um, no. |
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interesting I like the random nonsense it's kind of the best part, I feel but I guess I could imagine a person being adverse to noise chaos I think draft is a lot more hiphoppy and less stastic than confield |
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"I just think the new autechre cd is a push too far." That's one of the many things that makes it sooo wonderfull! |
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Confield is - a lily vine growing on a concrete wall. |
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Draft is-An ugly face with a beautiful mind. |
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I agree Draft is like deconstructionalist hip hop. It was tasty and shows hope for their future. Now all they need is William.S.Burroughs reincarnated as eminem to do the vocals. |
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I have read in interviews that they use or Cubase, and that program can really lend itself to doing deconstructive stuff. Brian Eno once said something like... it is interesting to go to an extreme place, and explore it, but then come back to a more useful position. I would have a problem if Autechre were writing Gantz Graaf for every song, but they aren't doing that. They are using solid structures, but then allowing them to come apart and find other places to reform. There are a lot of artists doing stuff now that is more in the vein of Tri-Repetae, LP5 etc. but I think Autechre just needed to move on from that, although I think that stuff is still in there it is just way more abstract. Imagine if it were 10-11 years ago and Skinny Puppy had just released Last Rights, and everyone was like "Too Dark Park pushed the envelope a little bit, but this just takes it too far. We really want to hear Rabies again." Of course then they released The Process and that sort of happened ...well kind of but different. |
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if its already there then its not really "randon" nonsense |
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i absolutely love confield, draft is boooooring compared to confield, i struggeled with confield for months and then one night it just clicked! i've loved it ever since, but still not lp5 or incunibula in my eyes |
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wow, people take such offense to opinions! i love it. muhuhahaha. In response to elusive, read the thread moron, i dont dislike confield at all, and i appreciate that daft 730 is to some peoples liking, im just explaining why i think its a bit shit. Weeeeeeeeeeeee. debate debate. The thread was called confield cause i was listening to it at the time i posted |
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