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offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:05 [#00758016]
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What is it with this album? I already had Rest Proof
Clockwork, Double Figure and P-Brane-ep... and i love all of
those to death. I picked up the not for threes album
thinking it would be another classic to add to my
collection.

But i am not liking it at all :-( I listened to it about 5
times, but i'm still very very dissapointed. Is this really
plaid?! Some of the tracks are okay i guess (#9 stood out,
as i remember it)... but most of it is incredibly boring.
Especially the first track is almost impossible to get
through. And the track with Björk (i was looking forward to
that!) is also a dissapointment.

And it's weird that i've never seen anyone else here expres
this same sentiment. There are people who hate plaid, and
there are people who love plaid. But i've never heard anyone
say the love plaid except the first album. It seems all the
fans rate all the albums about equally high.

I'll go listen to it again, see if it grows on me. I really
want to like it, because all their other cd's are so
neat!


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-06-26 11:06 [#00758017]
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There's a few tracks I like... Kortisin the most of all. But
generally, yeah, it's a pretty boring and generic album.
Double Figure gives it a mega wedgie.


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-26 11:08 [#00758021]
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Yup, it's not a very good album. It's not a *bad* album,
just dull. I sold mine on eBay :P


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:09 [#00758023]
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"Double Figure gives it a mega wedgie."

lol
It's good to see i'm not alone in this.
Right now i'm still in the first track, in a moment i'll pay
extra attention to kortisin, see if i can find something to
like in there :-)


 

offline nacmat on 2003-06-26 11:09 [#00758024]
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is the one I like less... but it was the first I got and I
loved it the first time.. I still love it, but its indeed
not as good as the others


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-06-26 11:13 [#00758030]
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ditto !! you hit the nail on the head, my thoughts
exactly.............:0(

*have you grabbed the peel session, its a lovely addition to
the Plaid catalogue


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2003-06-26 11:15 [#00758034]
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Awww... I feel sorry for Not for Threes. :_-(


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-06-26 11:17 [#00758035]
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dont forget to pick up Trainer, its a good jog through thier
earlier work, under different spudonims (sp?)


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:18 [#00758039]
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god... to make things worse the first track also lasts
almost 8 minutes :-p I nearly fell asleep, thank god it's
over now ;-)

"*have you grabbed the peel session, its a lovely
addition to the Plaid catalogue
"

Never seen it anywhere! I've seen the peelsession-cd's by
Autechre & BoC, but never plaid. What, they play new songs
on there? I'm not really that interested in slightly tweaked
versions of existing songs.

I must say, this Kortisin indeed doesn't sound all that bad.
It's quite lovely... but yet it still lacks something. A
certain edge... i don't know... the guitar sounds very nice
and all that. But they could have done more with this track!


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:19 [#00758040]
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don't feel sorry, it should feel ashamed of itself! :-p


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:21 [#00758043]
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yes, i've been meaning to get that one. And also The Black
Dog i'd like to hear some of their music.

Even though Not For Threes has made me believe early music
by plaid = not so good.

Or is it just this album where they messed up?


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2003-06-26 11:21 [#00758044]
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A picked up trainer about two weeks ago, I like it but it
sounds a bit dated. Some of the later songs on the second cd
are the better ones. Like Tan Sau and Angry Dolphin.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-06-26 11:26 [#00758051]
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Or is it just this album where they messed up?YES.Or is it
just this album where they messed up?YES.Or is it just this
album where they messed up?YES.Or is it just this album
where they messed up?YES.

~~~~FlyAgaric~~~it does sound a bit dated, and somewhat
current at teh same time, thats what makes it fun in my
opinion


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:29 [#00758058]
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Myopia reminds me of some of the jungle-music in Mario Kart.
Right down to the jungle/monkey noises in the background!

It was perfect for that game, but it's not the sort of thing
i want to hear on a serious music-album.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:29 [#00758059]
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"Or is it just this album where they messed up?YES"

okay thanks :-p
That clears things up


 

offline Erronous from Netherlands, The on 2003-06-26 11:46 [#00758077]
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Rare has Plaid Peel Session in stock you know... 8,90 euro!


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 11:49 [#00758079]
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fuck!
How did i miss that when i was there last week??!?

:-(

Maybe i should make another trip... it's so expensive
though, stupid ns.

:'(
*weeps because he doesn't have an ov-jaarkaart anymore*


 

offline nacmat on 2003-06-26 12:21 [#00758108]
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anyway bot for threes is a great album... you shall give it
more chance....


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 12:22 [#00758110]
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"you shall give it more chance.... "

yes master ;-)



 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-26 12:29 [#00758115]
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well it's over now. I must say it sounded a little better
over headphones.

Tracks 9 & 10 are absolutely fantastic... my favourite part
of the album. The last track is pretty good too. As is
Kortisin.

Extork is extremely catchy... i just know i'll be humming "I
was wrong, wrong, wrong" all night long now :-p But i'm not
really sure if i like the song all that much.

But i really will give it a fair chance :-) Ofcourse, it's
plaid... they've earned that. I'm glad i didn't start with
this album though... it probably would have stopped me from
listening to their other music.


 

offline nacmat on 2003-06-26 12:32 [#00758118]
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maybe if you had listened to plaid for the first time with
this cd in 1997 you would have found it amazing... but now
comparing it with double figure or p brane its just so less
interesting


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-06-26 12:51 [#00758131]
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"Awww... I feel sorry for Not for Threes. :_-("

knot4thr33z says: this is the life i chose


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-06-26 14:16 [#00758200]
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see i'm pretending i was talking to the album on msn
messanger


 

offline nlogax from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-06-26 15:42 [#00758299]
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all uv ya is taking a piss right?
not for threes is a classic - more like THE plaid album imo.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-26 15:56 [#00758306]
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Fuggin awesome album, if you didn't like it you're destined
to hate it cause it's the most immediate of their records in
my opinion. Oh well George, swallow it and move onto the
next release ;)


 

offline manticore from London (ON) (Canada) on 2003-06-26 16:43 [#00758396]
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'not for threes' isn't all too shabby. sure, it's no
'restproof clockwork', but i definitely wouldn't call it a
tossaway.

the double 'trainer' CD, a compilation of their early work
is a bit hard to swollow in places though - too old-school
and primitive for me.


 

offline mimi on 2003-06-27 00:05 [#00758758]
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sheesh i can't believe this, i love not for threes, it is
easily my favorite plaid.

how do you beat track 10? gorgeous.


 

offline alnuit on 2003-06-27 02:54 [#00758891]
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You kidding me? Not For Threes is amazing. Abla Eedio(the
first track) is awesome...as are Headspin (extremely funny
sample ending the track) and Kortisin.

Lilith is cool and sensuous, extork is filled with brilliant
abused noisy breaks, seph glistens like morning dew and
rakimou has the most heartrending of their songs.

All in all, this album is a left-of-center pop masterpiece.


 

offline alnuit on 2003-06-27 02:55 [#00758892]
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has the most heartrending of their songs.

missed out 'vocal' between heartrending & of


 

offline nacmat on 2003-06-27 02:58 [#00758896]
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I am glad people who really love it finally posted here...
it was being so unfair for the album


 

offline Erronous from Netherlands, The on 2003-06-27 03:28 [#00758908]
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I was listening to not for threes the whole night yesterday,
and i love it! I hadn't been listening to it for a long long
time! But it's top-notch music. And definately different
from the other plaid albums.


 

offline surrounded from it won't be hard anymore to li on 2003-06-27 04:06 [#00758940]
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After those last 5 posts i feel all left out now ;-)

I was listening to double figure this morning, and it
sounded soooo good. It has to be one of my all time
favourite albums. I just wish i could enjoy not for threes
in the same way.

I'll listen to it again, but i doubt i'll ever really be
able to enjoy it as much as their other cd's.

Oh well... such is life i guess


 

offline Spacecadet on 2003-06-27 04:14 [#00758957]
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personally i'm not a plaid fan really but i bought not for
threes for the track headspin, it's one of my fave tracks
ever


 

offline merg from The New New York (Berlin) (Germany) on 2003-06-27 04:41 [#00758985]
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You'll grow to love Milh


 

offline merg from The New New York (Berlin) (Germany) on 2003-06-27 04:42 [#00758988]
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pseudonyms


 

offline merg from The New New York (Berlin) (Germany) on 2003-06-27 04:43 [#00758992]
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Very very good point there


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-27 06:51 [#00759077]
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Not for threes is a great one. On headphones, you can hear
the detail and complexity of their percussion, and they
display a wide range of mood with a broad sound palette
similar to Rest Proof.

As much as I LOVE Double Figure, the album is so tight, it
sometimes sounds like you're listening to one LONG song in
different parts.

Double Figure is serious, whilst NFT is more playful (take
the steel drums for instance).


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2003-06-27 06:55 [#00759087]
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knot4thr33z says:thanks nacmat i was totally feeling down,
since i'm totally real and not an inanimate object!
N43z r0x0rz!!!!


 

offline alnuit on 2003-06-27 09:01 [#00759336]
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...and the funny thing is that DF is considered the most
'pop' of their releases...the precussion is so tight you
could not slip a strand of hair thru the cracks and the
melodies are outlandishly beautiful.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-27 09:23 [#00759355]
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The way I see it - each one of Plaid's releases is centered
on a theme and musical palette.

NFT is playful, colourful, and diverse - with probably the
most complex percussion of any of their releases IMO.


 

offline alnuit on 2003-06-27 09:26 [#00759361]
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...except of course their work as The Black Dog.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-27 09:29 [#00759365]
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Ya....I'm one of the unfortunate souls who never had the
opportunity to hear such works - perhaps its my youthful
age.

Too bad Bytes and Spanners are only available on Casette
......EEWW!!

Apparently, the new stuff by Ken Downie is a bit stinky -
like that one with the porkchop on the front.


 

offline alnuit on 2003-06-27 09:35 [#00759369]
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he is more into ambient stuff...and The Black Dog earlier
were quite about the exotica of arabic rhythms and eastern
melodies, and a deep deep love for detroit style techno.
That was all apart of the The Black Dog experience much like
one of their tracks called "Ambience With Teeth"...and now
after Plaid split, he seems more just ambience...and no
teeth.


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-27 09:46 [#00759373]
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Do you think that Ed and Andy have suffered or benefitted
from the loss of Ken?


 

offline zetre from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2003-06-27 10:00 [#00759392]
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Man, for me it´s the other way around. I love NFT but find
DF sort of bland and boring esp. the second half (after New
Family which is a fucking stellar track).
I don´t know which one I like better, NFT or RPCW, both are
amazing. But with RPCW like with DF I think it fades a bit
in the end (this time after Dang Spot) and that "hidden"
track is pretty awful.
NFT is pretty solid throughout and I think it´s the most
colourful and diverse of their albums (different moods,
tempos and time sigs etc).
fav tracks:
Myopia: if you don´t get this you haven´t got a clue.
Prague Radio
Rakimou
the techno-ish track Ol (?)
Lilith
Most of them are great tho except for the track with
Nicolette on it (crap) and maybe a few more that are just
decent (Ladyburst)


 

offline catharsis from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-28 13:15 [#00760869]
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Do you think the album title "Not for Threes" might refer to
the loss of Ken Downie?

As in "we were once a trio, but due to creative differences,
Andy and I decided to become plaid and do things our own
way. Our creative vision is not for three people."

Is this new, or is it just obvious, and I'm a dumbass for
not figuring it out sooner?


 

offline nlogax from oh, you must be the brains (Norway) on 2003-06-28 13:16 [#00760873]
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could be right - but I have no clue whatsoever. Never put
any thought into the title really..


 


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