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is it possible to define a musician seperately from an artist? i personally believe that anyone can be a musician, but it takes a real special someone to be an artist. now, i had an argument with a girl last night, where my main point was that most new county musicians (and pop/r'n'b/rock'n'roll/rap/whatever for that matter) are not really artists - but only musicians - because in order to be an artist - you need to be creating something new without following the guidelines set by someone else now - according to this definition - i argued that people who draw charicatures, or people that paint landscapes, are typically not artists, but painters or drawers because they are following traditional art theory right? a standard created by another person or group. do i sound hypocritical or completely ridiculous? or am i making perfect sense? |
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oh for fucks sake - i think this is a great topic :S |
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I would agree totally with you, although the interpretation of the words is subjective, I think the fundemental thinking behind what you are saying is spot on :D |
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I confuse myself some times :) |
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:D |
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the distinction between an artist and a musician is ultimately a technical one. a musician is someone who possesses the skills necessary to interpret and perform a piece of music which has been written by someone else - they have a technical acumen to do so via the formal knowledge of musical theory, notation, etc., but may not be inclined or have the talent to compose music on their own accord - a concert pianist is a primary example of this. an artist, on the other hand, is not merely a performer - he or she is someone who may or may not have a formal musical background, but what separates him/her from a mere musician is the fact that they also compose the music which they perform. so in this way, it's moreso a difference between a mere performer and a composer. that's obviously just one definition, but it could also be argued that a musician is a talentless twat who may indeed be the author of his/her own repertoire, but does it principally as a means of making a buck, rather than being driven by an intrinsic urge to create, which is what separates them from an artist. |
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thats a good arguement manticore - but i think that it is wrong to stereotype the musician as "out for a buck." there are many musicians out on their own just trying to survive doing what they love - and i personally do not find anything wrong with that. but when it comes to musicians like metallica, well, thats a differant story altogether. |
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In any genre of art (music, dance, painting, scuplting), it is slightly vulgar to refer to yourself as an "artist"- that's what other people should do, it's a praising term. It's polite to refer to yourself as a painter or musician, etc. |
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I agree with you...what you do is paint. Art is what others see in your work. To call yourself an artist is just short of masturbation. corticalstim : I would agree with you...the artist and a musician are completely different people. Martha Agerich or Glen Gould are musicians. They can play Beethoven and Bach like no other...but Bach and Beethoven were the artists. |
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i call myself a composer first and foremost but also a musician and sound designer and producer so many terms, and being an electronic artist, you kind of take all of the roles. |
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I call myself a scally with a computer :D |
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Yes, you are all of those terms and many many more :D |
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man, im telling you... drop it. ok? yes, we all know you hate me. what else are you trying to prove? Now you're just taunting me. And thats trolling imo. |
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*throws bucket of water over Zeus and Ecnadniarb* Keep it off the board boys! |
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I was trying to be nice in agreeing to your point, why do you always have to be so negative towards everything I say. If I was being evil I wouldn't have put :D I would have put >D. Let's just call it a truce and forget all te stupid stuff that has gone before. |
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dont even try to come off as being innocent. but yeah, just let it die |
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//Teacher in playground mode// Well done ecnadniarb, now shake hands boys... //EndTeacher in playground mode// |
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No see, you fucked it up...fuck you and the camel you rode into town on. |
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Ecnadniarb....been nice to Zeus. Ceri close the topic. |
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...waits for Ceri to obey the great Jedi Chris... |
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I don't think it was very nice of Zeus not to accept ecnadniarb's apology, although his response was hardly appropriate either. I think this is going ot be one of those situations where neither party will drop it. I ask you to do so and not make me have to close the thread or temp ban anyone. |
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i love all that anally retentive shit you post, it makes me piss myself laughing everytime! j/k of course! :) |
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Im sorry dude, but that was NOT an apology |
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chris you big cock, didnt take much time for you to stick your oar in |
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the way a 'musician' performs could be artistic. like jazz music, the musicians are following the guidelines of a written song but they also improvise on top of that. all performers, put a piece of themselves in a performance. it's this human element that seperates us from machines. some people may be more and less creative but nobody is a total robot. accept maybe autistic kids. |
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Whilst I dont think his inital post was that friendly he did say, "Let's just call it a truce and forget all te stupid stuff that has gone before." That's probably as close to an "apology" as you'll get out of him... Earthleakage: Suffixing things with "just kidding!" doesn't make it okay... |
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actually this whole question is completely anal |
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yeah, but I said in my first response "man, im telling you, drop it" I hardly see how that constitutes "I think this is going ot be one of those situations where neither party will drop it." Im not the one starting this crap. |
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*yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn* Wouldn't it be great if other members could pay for 'temp bans'.....I know where I'd spend mine! They could be in a similar form to how Amazon do gift vouchers! |
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You didn't see it as an apology and an attempt at a truce because it didn't involve a large tub of petrolium jelly and a table to bend over. |
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If you don't like the people here....you don't have to get involved in heated discussions with them. You can ignore the likes of me and Zeus if you really, really can't stand us. Alternatively, your computer does have an off button, maybe you should use it! |
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no, I didnt see it as an apology, because it was so blatently just you trying to look like you did nothing wrong. you are an instigator. |
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ANYWAY.. back on topic. i would say though, britany spears is closer to an instrument than an artist but even she is a little artistic, a little. but an autistic is just mathmatically punching the keys on the piano so i would say that is not art. (squabbling like a married couple on a message board is NOT artistic.) |
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yes i fully understand the problems you have about not being in control, which lead to you hanging about on this forum 24 hours a day waiting to pounce on something someone said which you think shouldnt be there. if you ever posted anything with any content about anything i wouldn't respond in such a negative manner |
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How the fuck can I ignore you when you barge into shit that has absolutely fuck all to do with you? And whilst I will probably end up with some sort of ban from this I am not going to stop using the board because of two or three people that don't like me (yes that's right, don't be pretending it is all one way). It is funny watching you attempt to be mature and rise above things when at the end of the day you are making as much of a dick of your yourself as I am. |
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man this MIGHT have been a good topic. |
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chris, maybe you should take some of your own advice. you are the biggest hypocrite, hiding behind your puerile attempts at trying to wind people up and then accusing other people of doing the same thing |
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i really fail to see how im being a dick. and what do you mean i barge into shit that has fuck all to do with me? it was an open ended question for anyone. So i responded. if anything, youre the one who gets involved when you shouldnt. there was no need to respond to my first post. |
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Earthleakage and Ecnadiarb: *yawn* |
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"EL Guapo only kills men! Not crying women!" -three amigos |
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conclusion of this thread: jedi chris has a very VERY small cock |
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Hey, look, another flame war ! The fun never stops at xltronic.com !! |
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Zeus read who that comment was directed to... |
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"Shut the fuck up Donnie!" -Walter Sobchak, The Big Lebowski |
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Hey mate...they day I start taking advice from someone like you, it will be a very cold, frosty day in hell. So rant on... hah! |
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"You gonna bark all day, little doggie? Or are you gonna bite?" Mr Blonde _ Reservoir Dogs |
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This is happening too often...I make little comments like that to everyone...I just said Recycles wife was cheating with a man named Brad in another thread...I am joking...that is all...don't take life so seriously...and in particular don't take message boards so seriously. I am not going to post any more in this thread...I apologise it went so off topic... |
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i wonder if thats what ceri and ecnadniarb thought about your 1st post |
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"We'll be reunited at Cal Sate Dominguez Hills! I'll be the experienced sophomore, you'll be the hot new freshman. It'll be just like high school, only better. Dorm rooms." Aaron - Bring it on |
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You stole my line ;-). |
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