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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 08:47 [#00754883]
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F**ked-up. I can't say anymore than that
911 According To Hollywood
Censoring Iraqi Media
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thelema
from Yucatan Peninsula (Mexico) on 2003-06-24 09:01 [#00754895]
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If US government does more things to enrage the rest of the world than this is good because eventually rest of the world will not tolerate them any longer and strike them down
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diablo
on 2003-06-24 09:01 [#00754896]
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Revisionism, re-writing of history... 1984 here we come.
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thelema
from Yucatan Peninsula (Mexico) on 2003-06-24 09:04 [#00754899]
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The rewriting of history for propaganda and bias is as old as history
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-24 09:08 [#00754901]
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I... I...
:: explodes ::
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epohs
from )C: on 2003-06-24 09:24 [#00754912]
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"If some tinhorn terrorist wants me, tell him to come and get me," he says. "I'll be at home. Waiting for the bastard." "But Mr President ..." stammers his Secret Service chief. "Try 'Commander-in-Chief',"
wtf!?
this is a joke right?... right?
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2003-06-24 09:45 [#00754932]
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good god... first the fast food rockers, and now this??
things are going downhill much faster than i would have imagined..
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joakimlinden
from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-06-24 09:51 [#00754936]
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George Orwell's 1984 looks more and more like a collection of prophecies than fiction.
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joakimlinden
from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-06-24 09:54 [#00754940]
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I've even heard recordings of bush saying stuff like "We are at war to keep the peace"... Newspeak in it's purest form?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-24 09:55 [#00754941]
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"I'll be at home. Waiting for the bastard."
I love that line.. HA HA!
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diablo
on 2003-06-24 09:56 [#00754944]
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I read it again recently and some of it is very relavent, some not so... the thing is in the book it's against people's will but now lots of people seem happy to be decieved, it makes things easier for them to deal with.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2003-06-24 10:02 [#00754951]
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I don't think it is like that in the book.
there are only a few people who actually KNOW that they are being toyed with. the rest just don't know and really don't care, exactly because it makes things easier for them to deal with.
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diablo
on 2003-06-24 10:04 [#00754953]
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... its certainly something everyone shoud read.
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joakimlinden
from Skövde (Sweden) on 2003-06-24 10:10 [#00754967]
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Yeah, Noam Chomsky have spoken about this sometimes - saying that the situation is even more totalitarian because through carefully played out propaganda moves the different administrations have successfully lured the media and people into self-cenorship. People voicing decent will get booo'ed out - I've heard this with my own ears in a speech made in an american college by a highly respected war correpondent - throughout his speech nearly all the students shouted stuff like "shut the fuck up!" and "go home". He didn't even talk about sensitive things, but he kept on going. Some of the teachers actually feared for his safety and sort of told him to leave after about 30 minutes.
And america is supposed to promote free speech and all that bullshit? Scary.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-24 10:13 [#00754973]
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Yep, there's evidence that the romans did it. Neo-classical architecture (think Ivy league universities) based on supposedly Roman traditional design was actually Turkish architecture... romans actually changed mosaics when they invaded to depict things differently...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-24 10:13 [#00754974]
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For some reason it made me think of this Deep Thought:
He was a cowboy, mister, and he loved the land. He loved it so much he made a woman out of dirt and married her. But when he kissed her, she disintegrated. Later, at the funeral, when the preacher said, "Dust to dust," some people laughed, and the cowboy shot them. At his hanging, he told the others, "I'll be waiting for you in heaven--with a gun."
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2003-06-24 10:22 [#00754988]
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The Romans and Egyptians also had the practice of "damnatio memoriae" as it is called - undesirables would be erased from statuary and portraiture. Probably every culture has done this to some extent - like when the Americans tore down that Saddam statue.
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 10:23 [#00754989]
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This is from this weeks Schnews...
"Last week a poll revealed that a third of Americans believe that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, while 22 per cent reckon Iraq actually used them! Even before the war, half of those polled said the Iraq regime was responsible for September 11th. But no one's found any weapons of mass destruction let alone used them (well apart from the Americans and British) and no Iraqis were on the planes that hit the twin towers. So how could people be so misinformed?...
As Noam Chomsky put it 'The bewildered herd is a problem. We've got to prevent their rage and trampling. We've got to distract them. They should be watching the Superbowl or sitcoms or violent movies. Every once in a while you call on them to chant meaningless slogans like 'Support our troops.' You've got to keep them pretty scared, because unless they're properly scared and frightened of all kinds of devils that are going to destroy them from outside or inside or somewhere, they may start to think, which is very dangerous, because they're not competent to think. Therefore it's important to distract them and marginalize them.'"
News you won't hear on TV
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2003-06-24 10:24 [#00754993]
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"Your enemy is not truly defeated until you have erased all trace of them. Slaughter their women and children, burn down their cities, kill all that knew or traded with them. Only when the memory of them is destroyed are they truly defeated..." :)
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diablo
on 2003-06-24 10:30 [#00755005]
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"Go back to sleep America. You are free to do as we tell you."
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:25 [#00755305]
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this is ALL the cinema made in North Korea. all the radio, t.v., popular music, and various artworks as well.
i suppose it was only a matter of time...
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-06-24 13:29 [#00755310]
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hahahaha
i'm not stupid when it comes to issues such as thing, but sometimes it's hard to get worrked up and do something otherr than laugh.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:36 [#00755326]
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one more reason to simply not watch televison
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:40 [#00755329]
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our 7 channels seem to do us just fine, and it doesnt cost $39.00/month
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:43 [#00755335]
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I can't believe i pitch in for the $49.99/month our digital cable costs here.
The roomates want it, but I could give a shit. Aside from a football game here and there, christ, $50 a month for that shit! no way!
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-06-24 13:45 [#00755336]
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i don't watch the channels i have. i'm not into that cable shit.
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Peloton
from London (United Kingdom) on 2003-06-24 13:48 [#00755342]
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I think it goes beyond just watching TV. News management of the type we're seeing now is pernicious. Even if you don't watch TV or read newspapers millions of others are and forming their opinions based on propaganda and lies. It leads to scenarios like wars (Iraq?) being waged on falsehoods. Dangerous ground we're treading.
Although, has it ever been any different? S'pose not really.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-06-24 13:50 [#00755347]
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propaganda is an arrt forr that has been evolving and getting morre effective forr yearrs and yearrs.
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Anus_Presley
on 2003-06-24 13:51 [#00755351]
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forrm*
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-24 13:52 [#00755354]
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i feel sick...
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ka
on 2003-06-24 16:47 [#00755591]
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"Neo-classical architecture based on supposedly Roman traditional design was actually Turkish architecture... "
Hey Ceri JC. Where did you read that? Curious.
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