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I'm watching it now... and one thing I've always wondered about this movie, for anyone else who has seen it, you know towards the end when Red had just gotten out and found the letter Andy left him... well, Andy asks Red if he remembered the name of the town in mexico, but he doesn't actually tell him the name... now, I've always wondered this, and I have it paused exactly where the letter is shown, so you can actually read the letter, and HE DOESN'T EVEN WRITE THE TOWN NAME IN THE LETTER!!!! Heh, come on... if you're going through this much trouble, and it'll be years before the person (red in this case) gets the letter, you'd think you'd write something as important as that on it... what if Red had forgotten the town name, there goes the whole plan!!! heh, oh my, I digress... I really do love this movie with all my heart, just always found this funny though... :) |
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I've always wondered how he managed to find that box in the first place? That "very special rock"... what was it... a black lava-stone or something? I thought it looked remarkably much like all the other rocks in that fence :-p But, to anwser your question... i think it's probably because he wanted to make a note that would only be understandable for Red. I mean, what if someone else would have found the box by accident? A letter from someone who escaped from prison, with the name of the town he is in now... doesn't sound like a very wise thing to do. |
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nod, I know... and I think the way they did it showed just how important to Red, that he never forgot it... |
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Good movie. Contains one of my favorite quotes: Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. Fo' real! |
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showed just how important IT WAS to red... |
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Aye. |
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Exactly. It was that dream that kept them alive... or something. I think that was done nicely. I guess everyone thinks about moving to a far away country and living carefree in the sunshine once in a while. But in the movie you get to see how for them it actually becomes their dream and they fullfill it. I wish they hadn't included the last scene though... them actually meeting on the beach. A little bit too much if you ask me. Still, a nice movie |
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I think it would have been sufficiently warming to have shown him walking down the beach and them noticing each other...and stop the scene there. I mean, we can figure that they'll be happy to see each other and live happily ever after, etc. We don't need to have it spelled out for us. |
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"I mean, we can figure that they'll be happy to see each other and live happily ever after, etc. We don't need to have it spelled out for us. " Well... i agree. But i would take it even further and, like i said, i would have removed the scene altogether. The movie should have ended after he found the box and read the letter... and then you see red walking away or something. It doesn't really matter if he actually finds him, does it? The dream is more important. But that scene is exactly what you said... they spell it out for you way too much. |
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Well, as an audience don't we at least care if the dream is realized? Or is that not the point maybe.. I think I would at least like to know it. However, not showing us would have been interesting, too. After such a good movie, the ending would probably have been difficult to really mess up, as in spoil the entire movie. |
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Andy does actually mention the name of the village to Red when they initially have the discussion in the prision. RED Feel bad about it if you want. But you didn't pull the trigger. ANDY No. I didn't. Someone else did, and I wound up here. Bad luck, I guess. RED Bad luck? Jesus. ANDY It floats around. Has to land on somebody. Say a storm comes through. Some folks sit in their living rooms and enjoy the rain. The house next door gets torn out of the ground and smashed flat. It was my turn, that's all. I was in the path of the tornado. (softly) I just had no idea the storm would go on as long as it has. (glances to him) Think you'll ever get out of here? RED Sure. When I got a long white beard and about three marbles left rolling around upstairs. ANDY Tell you where I'd go. Zihuatanejo. RED Zihuatanejo? ANDY Mexico. Little place right on the Pacific. You know what the Mexicans say about the Pacific? They say it has no memory. That's where I'd like to finish out my life, Red. A warm place with no memory. Open a little hotel right on the beach. Buy some worthless old boat and fix it up like new. Take my guests out charter fishing. (beat) You know, a place like that, I'd need a man who can get things And that is from the script/screenplay. Man, how I love this story. And how I love this movie. And what I'd do for a love like that. |
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It bored me. |
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i still can't get over this: "Andy crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of shit-smelling foulness I can't even imagine. Or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards. The length of five football fields. Just shy of half a mile." |
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I can't believe you didn't remember him telling him about the town? It was him and him talking to each other... like the quote from the transcipt earlier... it was right before Andy escaped.... I have a friend named Boggs with an attitude problem - the leader of queens name is Boggs in this movie... we all find it ultimately hilarious |
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Here's my take on Shawshank. Andy doesn't tell the town in the letter because if cops found it, it would blow his cover. And as for the ending, the thing is to show that Red "got busy living." If you end it early, it's not perfectly clear. It has to be crystal to the audience to get that across--that's the whole theme! So I'd never cut that out. With the ending as it is, here are the advantages: 1) you see that Red's got a life ahead of him, and that he (like Andy) beat the system (Brooks didn't) 2) it completes Red's character arc, so to speak. We see he changes from being cynical and pessimistic to hopeful. 3) there's a sense of fluidity or continuity in the way it wraps it up. My thinking is if the movie took place in the past, it's important to end it somewhere unambiguous. If it's a present day thing, I'd understand leaving the ending up to the audience. Whenever I see a movie from a certain, specific time period, and it has one of those nonspecific endings, I just don't get as into it. Think about it. :) |
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I agree with most of what's been said here, but I've gotta say that the beach shot right at the end was of such nice contrast to all the jail scenes beforehand, it kinda had closure written all over it for me.... |
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Precisely! Midnight Express is different though--because it's two boring hours--and the character is so poorly developed. Granted, a few of the action shots portray him pretty well. But he's one of the least charismatic characters of all time--so by the end you just want him fucking out! :) |
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Eh, I guess no one wants to talk about da movies :( |
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best movie ever |
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i also consider the shawshank to be the greatest film i hav ever seen |
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I dunno why people rate this film so highly, yeah it's good and it's a fine translation of it's source. But to be rated third in IMDB's top 250 movies of all time? And this isn't even one of King's best stories, there are lots of better ones. It's a nice film and a worthy watch, nothing more, nothing less. The ending to the book is different btw, Red just talks about how he's got the letter and he's getting paroled in a few months... it had more poignance and less schmaltz than the film. Anyway, not really a criticism just a... bitch slap :D |
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not one of his best books, exactly. |
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yes, I do know he mentioned the name of the town in their conversation in prision... I wasn't talking about that... I said he never mentioned it in the letter, and he didn't... my whole point was just that it could've been years after Andy told Red the name of the town before Red actually found the letter and read it... always seems funny that Andy never wrote the name of the town in the letter to ensure that Red would remember... |
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"It's a nice film and a worthy watch, nothing more, nothing less. " well, seems a lot of people disagree with that and think it is a lot more... I do... my whole reasons for adoring this movie is just the effect it has on me... lots of movies have moved me, but this one always does... it never fails to hit me with some profound realization about life, and all that... plus the story is excellent, the acting and direction and all that is superb... it's an amazing movie, and is one of my favorites of all time definitely... I've never read the story, but damn I love the movie! |
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it's a short story too ain't it? I've always figured I'd be dissappointed if I read the story, because it's so short... but maybe not... I might still read it sometime... |
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i lOVE that quote, it's so simple and succinct! i can't tell ya how many times i've watched that movie, there is something about the characters, and tone that makes it so interesting. everytime it's on TV i usually finish watching it at whatever point it's at. i dunno why i don't own the DVD yet. =0) another thing to remember in prison you remember EVERYTHING.....so thats why he was sure RED would remember the name of the town..... |
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it's a Stephen KING short story......thats AMAZING coming from a 600+ page novel writer......ahhahahha |
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nod, It, one of my favorite books, is like 1189 pages or something... heh, longest book I ever read... |
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The Wheel of Time series is the longest story I've ever read... and I'm still not finished... currently on book 7 or 8, and each book is at least 600 pages, usually around 800 or 900... it's awesome though... one story spread over all this length, and it hardly ever gets boring... |
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The Arrow and The Song I shot an arrow into the air, It fell to earth, I knew not where; For, so swiftly it flew, the sight Could not follow it in its flight. I breathed a song into the air, It fell to earth, I knew not where; For who has sight so keen and strong That it can follow the flight of song? Long, long afterward, in an oak I found the arrow, still unbroke; And the song, from beginning to end, I found again in the heart of a friend. - H.W.Longfellow So I guess, the assumption was that the name of the place would be in Red's heart. If it were not, the whole thing would be pointless. |
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nod, that's a cool poem... |
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awwwwww Longfellow.......damn i love him!! perfect poem for this movie!! =0) |
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