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What are your opinions on the subject, and do you every censor yourself or somebody else? |
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I don't appreciate cencorship. |
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1. necessary 2. all the time ! |
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it can be good or bad. if censorship is necessary, and used properly, it's fine. it can however be used to do very bad things. people, the government in particular, can use censorship as a way to change what people believe. it's a tough call to say how far you should be able to go with censorship, before it's taking away peoples' right to free speech. i'd write an essay on it, like i should be doing for school, at the moment, but i'll stop there for now. |
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here are some thoughts: fuckpissshitcuntmotherfuckingtittysuckingsonofabitch translation - we should have more parental advisory stickers! i mean, how many young people have been corrupted by that hideous and morally perverse picture of richard d. james on the 'windowlicker' cover?!? that sort of thing is an abomination of family values!!! |
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Parents need to censor their childrens idea of what the world is. They have no need to experience (through one or more of their senses) things they do not understand - that will just be confusing. You grow, and when you're ready, you'll find out. Stuff should take time. It shouldn't be rushed. And parents should be responsible for everything that concerns their children. |
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They = the children. |
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i hope you are being sarcastic....children need to be awake to reality as soon as possible...as long as its a good outlook on reality...which for the most part i believe i have. |
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no of course not, reality is fucking horrifying, let kids be kids for as long as they can. |
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Well maybe I could have put things better... But I belive things should take time, and that kids should not watch a certain type of movies, etc, until they understand what is going on. Also how do you define reality? I can say you know nothing about my life... I still think I didn't write my last post properly, so nevermind that. I'm kinda tired, it's late here. |
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yeah dude. Kids should be allowed to be kids. |
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Censorship should not exist. Those that do not understand reality should have it explained to them by those that do. And those that don't should not complain or have ojections that they do not understand. |
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well theres "reality" (the bullshit human created reality) and then theres REALITY. I think kids need to know about the REALITY at a young age, the other "reality" can wait. |
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jello biafra's letter to tipper gore -- i'm on his side. |
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Well, if it is a man-made reality, then by defenition, it can't be real. Because it has been made. Reality is not made. It just is. |
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that's why it's "reality" :) |
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well - thats not technically true - while what you are saying can be seen as accurate in some senses - but you have to accept that human development is what really develops what is "real" and what isnt. if we have evolved our society and developed it differently - then it is real is it not? it is hard to argue that what has been established as our society is fake - and that what we embrace as culture after 100s of years of traditions must be real something that is man-made can be a reality - if it is developed and embraced - then there is nothing to oppose its state of reality |
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Humans can create their own reality. That doesn't change what REALITY is. |
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sorry - but what do you mean by REALITY? |
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The problem with that you see is that it leads to the kind of world that we live in today where everybody is comfortable with the version of reality that they have grown up with and their society has created and embraced, but have little respect for similar evolutions in other societies. Human beings have an ego problem, and a feeling of insecurity. They need to feel correct (ego) and validated(insecurity). More often than not, I find people accepting the majority because they then feel that are a part of something and that leads to feeling secure. This obviously cannot be a part of reality. And while it may be an inescapable part of our life these days, it does not mean that we should chose to accept it. Our kids should be tought to realise the differences between reality and REALITY. Censoring REALITY does not help anybody in understanding it. It needs to brought out into the open, discussed and only then accepted. Hiding it in the folds of censorship will not help. |
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i agree. |
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the first two paragraphs remind me of religion. |
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I think that censorship is unforgivable -- tolerance means allowing others unlimited freedom of speech and expression, as long as it does not physically imperil another -- we need people to challenge conventions and to push the boundaries of so-called taste -- the progression of humans has depended upon pushing boundaries and smashing conventions. So what if some nazi wants to deny the holocaust - it is that person's right to give vent to their opinions, even if some people find it disgusting. So what if some pervert wants to wax lyrical about the sexual beauty of children - it is his right to do so (but not his right to physically imperil children by molesting them)... if a society faces its underbelly instead of pretending it doesn't exist, then it will be healthier. |
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Well, that explains why the more rigid strains of certain religions like Catholicism and some Islamic states view censorship as an instrument of state policy. Doesn't it ? After all, any named organized religion is just a man-made social structure. It would do well in its own interests to censor whatver/whoever claims that its tenets are untrue. |
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i agree when you say society needs to face its underbelly, but i think children should be protected from some of it. when a child is in the developmental stage of their life, their surroundings will influence their personality. i would want my kids to know about drugs and sex so they can use the information to make the right descisions, but i wouldn't want things like that in my kids face all the time. i am not for complete censorship, but i am also not for zero censorship. some things need to be moderated. |
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yes, Catholicism has been highly censored ever since the remnants of Rome hijacked/procured it. |
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i was mainly talking about how people find security in numbers. if lots of people believe in the same thing you do, you will feel more comfortable about your beliefs. |
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Exactly. Which is why I believe that Marquis de Sade's writing or Nobokov's Lolita or Lawrence's 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' should not have been treated the way the way they were. Any man's fantasy or right to speech should be fully admissable as long as it doesn't physically hurt another. |
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But security that comes from numbers says nothing about your faith. Stronger is the faith that can stand in the face of opposition than that which gets its security from numbers. |
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i dont even remember anything from when i was under 4. i wonder if my parents had sex in front of me. |
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the point there is that it is the Parental Decision in what their child should be exposed to -- it is not up to the Lawmakers to make everyone suffer censorship because some of it might not appeal to children / conservative christians &tc. If a christian finds the natural act of sex distasteful, they can watch the GOD channel (to be facetious, yet the point is valid). And likewise, if a parent does not wish their child to watch sex, violence, swearing on TV, then they should take command and not allow their child to watch it, not demand that it not be shown on TV. In the UK, there is far less censorship of television than in the USA, yet we're not a nation of gun-toting perverted psychotics (in general). Not that I'm accusing the USA of being this, but they DO have a higher percentage of murder and sex-crimes. It's odd, because in America you can watch car chases and graphic operations, but you can't say "fuck" (except on channels like HBO)... it just seems illogical. this has been a rambling post, I apologise |
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i disagree. the people i live around prove my point. when i got into high school it seemed as though religion became a fad. everyone claimed christianity, but no one really followed through. adults are the same; they go to church with their friends and socialize then wait to do it again next week. |
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i definetly agree with you. censorship should be defined by the parents, but a man should not be able to walk around a school playground and tell people how much he wants to fuck the kid on the swingset. he isn't physically harming them physically, but mental harm is just as bad as physical harm. if i were 10 years old and i knew people were looking at me in perversion, i would hate people and be very paranoid. |
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I agree that a person shouldn't be allowed to force their opinion onto another when there is no avenue of avoidance. That is mental abuse, you're right |
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i think their should be 100% freedom of speech, but the things you say may have consequences if you offend the people around you. |
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Same goes for Henry Miller's tropic of cancer... Censorship shouldn't apply to things that have artistic merit. For people who will debate what has artistic merit, here are some simple guidlines: Art = Vladimir Nabokov's work Shock Tactic crap = Damien Hirst's "work" |
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damien hirst, now that's an obnoxious guy who really think's he's god's gift. |
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that's life tho - being ready to take the consequences for your beliefs and your actions -- people should not allow themselves to be ruled by fear. Ceri - but then, who decides what is art? Pornography is defined as that which has no artistic merit but is design to excite a person sexually - so why aren't all these cheap adverts manipulating sexuality to whore their products banned from TV as pornography? |
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nice point on the second paragraph. i don't think fear should control your actions, but when you say whatever you want to, you must know that people will react. i don't mean law officials when i say people. |
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Agree. And Anais Nin as well. And Sappho who was banned onto Lesbos. And Salman Rushdie who was(is ?) to be killed... But you see, who is to decide what is art ? I mean, between Throbbing Gristle and NIN's broken video...where do you draw the line ? And who draws it ? And what do you get for not agreeing with where the line is drawn ? |
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He he, I had hoped my "For people who will debate what has artistic merit, here are some simple guidlines: Art = Vladimir Nabokov's work Shock Tactic crap = Damien Hirst's "work"" would explain I was being a bit tongue in cheek :) Good point by Marlowe, I would ban adverts that use sex in a base and humourless manner. It's shocking how many do- try either watching with the sound off or listening without looking at the screen. Somehow they only come across as innocent when you can see both parts... |
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it can be a good it can be a bad it goes eitherr way |
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All I can say is the mind is a free playground. What happens outside the mind shouldn't need to be censored if you're a decent person and your actions do not harm anybody physically or mentally. |
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thats the point alot of the time, what is harrmful to one is not to the otherr |
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Yeah, I think the unabomber's example of how technology causes stress (Take radios for example, if someone can't play their music loud in the garden it stresses them out, if they do, they wind up their neighbours, if there were no stereos no one would be stressed out by the situation described) would be a good analogy- if you can't say what you want it annoys you, if other people say what they like and you find it offensive it annoys you... It's a much debated point in law too- you get conflicting things like freedom of speech and the race relations act- essentially, if someone is not allowed to make racial slurs, it is infringing on their right to freedom of speech, no matter how abhorrent what they are saying may be. If they can say what they like, it may well be in breach of the race relations act as it may cause racial tension in the community. |
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With censorship on a message board, folk have to remember that the Internet is archaic and unregulated. As is the musik discussed on this site, therefore let things flow. No referee is required |
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do you mean 'anarchic and unregulated'? |
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I dislike how cultures think they NEED censorship. |
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